tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post1628794330283694190..comments2023-11-02T08:41:44.231-07:00Comments on The Sanctuary: The gourmet meal...of red pills!!!Spacetravellerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comBlogger103125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-1856950224779458742012-06-27T11:14:35.417-07:002012-06-27T11:14:35.417-07:00Bill,
Thank YOU.
I second your thoughts on Bellit...Bill,<br /><br />Thank YOU.<br />I second your thoughts on Bellita.Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-64679338329804681402012-06-26T19:01:39.502-07:002012-06-26T19:01:39.502-07:00@ SpaceTraveller,
Nice moderating of the discussi...@ SpaceTraveller,<br /><br />Nice moderating of the discussion.<br /><br />As usual, Bellita drilled down to the core issue that my post raised. She found the <i>Getchen frage</i> of this step in the dance between the sexes..<br /><br />Over 100 responses and you only had to write an intro. Nice work if you can find it.<br /><br />And I didn't catch that Anonymous @ 0841 was directing his comments to me. So no need to apologize for answering him in my place. I didn't realize the ball was in my court.<br /><br />BTW, thanks for the prayers and good wishes. <br /><br />BillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-51341496428041037442012-06-26T14:37:20.117-07:002012-06-26T14:37:20.117-07:00@ Grasshopper,
Hahaha.
Clever answer!
I mean, cle...@ Grasshopper,<br /><br />Hahaha.<br />Clever answer!<br />I mean, clever non-answer to my non-question :-)Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-60547010121988255282012-06-26T13:30:54.115-07:002012-06-26T13:30:54.115-07:00@ST… “...if I made you a legendary chicken curry, ...@ST… “...if I made you a legendary chicken curry, would you then see me as ugly? …”<br /><br />In searching the internet just now for the origins of curry I came across an interesting morsel.<br /> <br />Curry is considered an aphrodisiac.<br /> <br />I think that will serve as my rhetorical answer to your rhetorical question…. ; -)<br /><br />GrasshopperGrasshoppernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-42900630529761267492012-06-26T11:17:04.667-07:002012-06-26T11:17:04.667-07:00Re: "Roll Your Own Alpha"
Apparently, ...Re: "Roll Your Own Alpha" <br /><br />Apparently, the expression is not as familiar as I thought! I can't remember where I first read it, but it was likely at HUS. <br /><br />@Grasshopper and @ST <br /> <br />Thanks for your compliments, but I can't really take any credit! :) These insights were floating around in the Manosphere long before I came across them. What I'm doing is rephrasing them in a way that makes them more accessible (and I hope, more helpful!) to women.Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-43329259517684177882012-06-26T10:08:10.181-07:002012-06-26T10:08:10.181-07:00Roll your own alpha? I think that expression is go...Roll your own alpha? I think that expression is going to be stuck in my head, lol.just visitingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-90377640592934619912012-06-26T09:56:16.485-07:002012-06-26T09:56:16.485-07:00@ Anonymous @ 8:41AM
Welcome to The Sanctuary, Ro...@ Anonymous @ 8:41AM<br /><br />Welcome to The Sanctuary, Roosh :-)<br />Just kidding...<br />I think your comment (which, by the way I am aware was addressed to Bill, not me) might be 'tongue in cheek' and I <i>should</i> be able to see the funny side.<br /><br />But I can't.<br />Even though these women you talk about are willingly ruining their own lives. You are not forcing them into your bed.<br />But I somehow cannot 'take a joke' where this is concerned if your intent is to just 'have fun with them and then toss them aside' as opposed to 'I wanted a real relationship with a young woman but things didn't work out in the end'.<br />I got a sudden case of 'sense of humour failure', I'm afraid. It doesn't happen very often...but when it does, it bothers me deeply.<br /><br />A young woman such as the ones you mention are like 'children' to my mind, because let's face it, a lot of them do have the mental age of children from the earlier part of the last century...<br />I know my thinking on this is not right - they <i>are</i> adults and should be treated as such.<br />But we both know they are really not...which is not <i>your</i> fault, of course...<br />I won't judge you for your honest comment as a man (precisely because I am <i>not</i> not a man), and I hope you won't judge me for my equally honest reaction to it as a woman (because you are not a woman).<br />This is one of the areas that I would always find I reach a stalemate...I cannot and won't ever see things any differently than I do now. And I suspect, the same for you :-)<br />So we will have to agree to disagree on this one (even if you weren't addressing me in the first place and I barged in on your conversation with Bill :-)<br /><br />@ Grasshopper,<br />:-)<br />It's the other way round: Curry has Indian origins but is now firmly British...<br />And yes, I do make a mean chicken curry!<br />But...if I made you a legendary chicken curry, would you then see me as ugly? That's the question!<br />Um, could this remain rhetorical, please?<br />:-)<br /><br />PS: Re Bellita's last few comments, aren't they just marvellous jewels? She's quite the philosopher, our Bell!<br />:-)Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-69168748986687748762012-06-26T09:27:09.372-07:002012-06-26T09:27:09.372-07:00@ST…”…Ah, I was going to declare my superlative co...@ST…”…Ah, I was going to declare my superlative cooking skills but I shan't now... :-)…”<br /><br />You tease! My favorite dish is Chicken Curry. Which I thought was Indian but I learned it has British origins. You have British origins, yes? <br /><br />You see how my imagination is running wild now… ; - )<br /><br />GrasshopperGrasshoppernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-25825642899310251412012-06-26T09:09:05.057-07:002012-06-26T09:09:05.057-07:00@B… “…I think the women's task now is to condu...@B… “…I think the women's task now is to conduct ourselves in such a manner that we bring out the traits we long for in men…”<br /><br />“…it was her believing in him which helped him believe in himself…” <br /><br />“…The problem with modern women is that they expect a man already to have those traits before they will give him a chance. My proposed solution is that modern women relearn those essential feminine arts...” <br /><br />Kudos for these gems B. Really great insights. Thank you. <br /> <br />In the final analysis it is a partnership each one both man and woman contributing to the other’s welfare and each gleaning sustenance from the other. Neither party can be selfish and make it work. <br /><br />GrasshopperGrasshoppernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-18651027664210285842012-06-26T08:41:11.074-07:002012-06-26T08:41:11.074-07:00Hey - you keep teaching women logic and I won'...Hey - you keep teaching women logic and I won't be able to charm them into my bed, they'll start going for the quiet dependable guys, rather than the exciting ones who get their juices flowing... :)<br /><br />I wish you luck. I gave up on being that guy long ago since I saw no return in it. Of course, I doubt I could ever go back now - I'm addicted to young women, and you know what the French say? Viva la difference... And I love how each is different, yet the same... But it's like flavors of ice-cream - sometimes, I want chocolate, others vanilla, and other rocky-road. I doubt I could be happy with just one flavor any more... Of course, you are talking to that 29 year old, and more often than not, they are starting to think along those lines themselves. That's way I like the 18-25 bracket - lots of fun, very attractive, and not too bright when it comes to thinking about farther than the next hour - at best...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-19441724136682509802012-06-26T05:42:57.785-07:002012-06-26T05:42:57.785-07:00@ Danny,
Klonipin and scotch? That's two seda...@ Danny,<br /><br />Klonipin and scotch? That's <i>two</i> sedatives effectively :-)<br />Stay up.<br />Um, maybe not, after klonipin and scotch, mate.<br />*smile*<br />Poor darling Brody. But does he really need his teeth cleaned? I was not complaining when I was 'in' and now, I am sure Lady Bailey is not either...<br />:-)<br /><br />@ Bellita,<br /><br />Wow, I need some time to digest your last comment. You do come up with some unique insights, you do!<br />But I couldn't help but laugh out loud at this:<br />'Roll your own Alpha'.<br /><i>Roll your own Alpha?</i> <br />Alphas are <i>cigarettes</i> now?<br />Hahahahahaha!<br />Ah, so <i>that's</i> why they are so bad for one's health :-)<br />(Unless you mean the nicotine-free version...or maybe women should smoke 'em without inhaling...)<br />This could be another one of your 'specials' that I keep quoting till I am 95 and toothless lol. Your 'steak and sizzle' as well as your 'pizza' and 'potato' ones are still embedded in my grey matter...<br />'Roll your own Alpha'...<br />Brilliant analogy. Very funny and gets to the point :-)<br />And your point is a very good one, I must say. I am very impressed by it. Sincerely.Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-57103560725533175922012-06-26T05:18:29.974-07:002012-06-26T05:18:29.974-07:00@Bill
Thank you for linking Badger's post! I&...@Bill <br />Thank you for linking Badger's post! I'll have to let the insights stew a bit longer before I can react to them properly, though. :)Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-57278542518465744052012-06-26T05:04:29.151-07:002012-06-26T05:04:29.151-07:00@Metak
One thing I realized from this post and co...@Metak <br /><i>One thing I realized from this post and comments is how 'easy' it is for a man to 'like' a woman.. but it's so 'complicated' the other way.. ;-)</i> <br /><br />I have realized that as well! And let me tell you that it's no picnic from this end! <br /><br />@Grasshopper<br /><i>An ugly woman who has developed gourmet cooking skills may not be the very best I could ever do but at some point we all have to put a stake in the ground and make a decision. </i> <br /><br />My mistake was equating the man's compromise in the song with the dilemma I have defined with women. (Again, if I've learned anything from the Gendersphere, it is that there are no exact equivalents between the sexes.) Of course a man would be able to make the trade-off and still be very happy. But I don't think a woman would be able to without feeling that she has cheated herself <i>and</i> him of true happinesss (or without being a complete martyr in the marriage). This means that the solution for her is what I've heard described in the Gendersphere as the "Roll Your Own Alpha" strategy. <br /><br />(Metak, I don't like using the Greek letters, either, and avoid doing so as much as possible. But sometimes I'm in a hurry . . . and sometimes I'm quoting!) <br /><br />Men seem to agree that a woman's support and affection can bring out certain traits in them that even they knew weren't there. The problem with modern women is that they expect a man <i>already</i> to have those traits before they will give him a chance. My proposed solution is that modern women relearn those essential feminine arts. <br /><br />Here's really simplistic analogy that I hope will make my point a little clearer. (I know I'm not at my articulate best right now!) Let's say you run into another "Anne" for whom you can be "Bill." But this "Anne" is twenty pounds overweight and can't cook, but still expects to find some gorgeous, rich guy who will love her unconditionally and sweep her off her feet. Now, if you told her that she'll never get the man she's dreaming of (because he can choose from among slimmer women with better domestic skills), you'd be perfectly correct. And then you might, as "Bill," tell "Anne" that her best bet at marital bliss is to learn to be happy with an average-looking, average-earning but kind and funny man. You'd also be correct . . . but you also would have assumed that "Anne" will never change. <br /><br />So in this <i>He Said/She Said</i> show that is "Bill <i>and</i> Bell" (<i>Thanks to ST for pointing out the way our names sound together. Hahahaha!</i>), the "Bell" character would tell "Anne" <i>to change</i>. That is, to start working out and to start learning to cook. If she's going to have high standards, then she should first make <i>herself</i> meet high standards. (She should also know what men's standards are instead of projecting her own standards for men onto herself.)<br /><br />In a nutshell, I don't think high standards are the problem if women can be realistic about what we can get. And I think the first step is being realistic about what we ourselves can do. It also seems to be a win-win situation inasmuch as men respond very well to women making these feminine changes in ourselves.Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-58869757474605298842012-06-26T02:35:06.958-07:002012-06-26T02:35:06.958-07:00ST-
Brody needs to get his teeth cleaned this wee...ST-<br /><br />Brody needs to get his teeth cleaned this weekend. i'm NOT looking forward to it. he recovers HORRIBLY from anesthesia. it's heartbreaking.<br /><br />i'm ok. you know, just in therapy. lol. but i learned a valuable lesson: never chase klonipin with scotch. WOWZAH!!!!dannyfrom504http://dannyfrom504.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-66631559802831959902012-06-25T23:33:40.682-07:002012-06-25T23:33:40.682-07:00@ Metak,
"One thing I realized from this pos...@ Metak,<br /><br /><i>"One thing I realized from this post and comments is how 'easy' it is for a man to 'like' a woman.. but it's so 'complicated' the other way..."</i> <br /><br />This can be summarised in the phrase: Men are simple, women are complicated.<br />!!!<br /><br />Clearly, women's 'wiring' is a bit more, shall we say, 'scrambled' in comparison to men's.<br />Hahahahaha!<br />(Just knowing that is half the battle, Metak...)<br /><br /><i>"What you perceive as heartless is nowhere near it..."</i> <br /><br />Really? I am astonished at this! To be asking what someone was doing at the time she died to me is the pinnacle of heartlessness (to my own shame I did this nonetheless) so it surprises me that you think there could be worse examples...<br />But then again, I see now why Bell said that unless it is a 'heartlessness' directed at you, or men in general, you are unlikely to see the depth of the 'heartlessness'. This makes sense. Bravo to Bell for making this point, and bravo to you for proving it to me :-)<br /><br /><i>"A buddy of mine used to say “the uglier she is the better cook she has to be”. "</i> <br /><br />Ah, I was going to declare my superlative cooking skills but I shan't now...<br />:-)<br /><br /><i>"wow. gone for a few days and THIS is what happens? smh. <br />well, ST....i'm not cleaning up this mess. lol."</i> <br /><br />Danny!<br />:-)<br />This is all Bill's fault. I am just an innocent little bystander here...<br />Hahahahahaha!<br /><br />Now Bill is going to come at me with 'Now just a minute...'<br />:-)<br /><br />How's me Brody, Danny?<br />And you?Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-45624273335645848482012-06-25T23:11:15.537-07:002012-06-25T23:11:15.537-07:00wow. gone for a few days and THIS is what happens?...wow. gone for a few days and THIS is what happens? smh. <br /><br />well, ST....i'm not cleaning up this mess. lol.dannyfrom504http://dannyfrom504.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-67955463405119929912012-06-25T20:22:45.676-07:002012-06-25T20:22:45.676-07:00@Bill
I have a problem with that definition of &q...@Bill<br /><br />I have a problem with that definition of "Body Agenda" at the beginning..<br />By that definition body (like brain is an alien inside the body.. ;-) is using the brain to get the job done..? Body is a very sophisticated biological computer but it's purpose is to allow consciousness to experience and interact in this particular reality..<br /><br />If every cell in our body has in it's core 'programing' function to multiply and replace, why would it then be any different for a body as a whole? I don't see any 'tricking' here...<br /><br />It's only logical.. or is my sneaky body tricking my brain an the latter trying to trick the infinite consciousness that's using it? ;-) ;-)metaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-24938767878620257972012-06-25T18:39:32.884-07:002012-06-25T18:39:32.884-07:00Badger has an interesting post that explores some ...Badger has an interesting post that explores some of the same territory touched on by Bellita.<br /><br />http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/the-body-agenda-doesnt-lie/<br /><br />BillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-36165967266855853642012-06-25T17:23:06.012-07:002012-06-25T17:23:06.012-07:00@Grasshopper
My aunt is great cook and she found ...@Grasshopper<br /><br />My aunt is great cook and she found a husband that gives her everything.. my cousin went to her for cooking lessons before she got married.. ;-)<br /><br />so simple... ;-)metaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-7892128660980834562012-06-25T17:07:37.848-07:002012-06-25T17:07:37.848-07:00@Metak… “…One thing I realized from this post and ...@Metak… “…One thing I realized from this post and comments is how 'easy' it is for a man to 'like' a woman.. but it's so 'complicated' the other way…”<br /><br />A buddy of mine used to say “the uglier she is the better cook she has to be”. <br /><br />How much easier can it get than this? <br /><br />GrasshopperGrasshoppernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-39200101434201908092012-06-25T16:59:22.620-07:002012-06-25T16:59:22.620-07:00@B…
Please don’t worry about not being able to re...@B… <br />Please don’t worry about not being able to respond right away. <br /> <br />An ugly woman who has developed gourmet cooking skills may not be the very best I could ever do but at some point we all have to put a stake in the ground and make a decision. <br /><br />At age 20 I might pass her by. At age 35 maybe not. That is not lowering my standards. <br /><br />As ST said earlier in this thread “…I should state that it takes a certain maturity in a woman to know what is 'gold' …” <br /><br />Same applies for men.<br /> <br />GrasshopperGrasshoppernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-39200031865216597952012-06-25T16:36:13.864-07:002012-06-25T16:36:13.864-07:00@Bellita
Ay, ay, ay mi Bellita... ;-)
Please, pl...@Bellita<br /><br />Ay, ay, ay mi Bellita... ;-)<br /><br />Please, please stop with the whole Greek alphabet thing when you're talking about men... we're not just letters.. we have feelings too... ;-) hahaha<br /><br />You assume his reasoning is faulty.. his standards could be completely different from what is considered to be a norm..<br /><br />Grasshopper said that she has to be a good cook. I would add to cooking skills ST's sense of humor and playfulness and you would get qualities that are far more important.. at least to me.. :-)<br /><br />One thing I realized from this post and comments is how 'easy' it is for a man to 'like' a woman.. but it's so 'complicated' the other way.. ;-)metaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-45462063258234151112012-06-25T15:51:22.396-07:002012-06-25T15:51:22.396-07:00@Grasshopper
I don't have more time to explai...@Grasshopper <br />I don't have more time to explain now, but I think you'll get the gist of what I mean by reading my answer to Metak above. I'm not being completely literal here. <br /><br />That the "ugly girl" can cook well means that the man has standards that are still being met. This is about not lowering your standards as long as you can hold yourself to a high standard as well.Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-50178875468345508442012-06-25T15:48:51.685-07:002012-06-25T15:48:51.685-07:00@Metak
So why does his happiness concern you?
I...@Metak <br /><i>So why does his happiness concern you?</i> <br /><br />It doesn't! Hahahaha! What concerns me is people thinking that the way things are means they have no choice but to choose a course of action that lets them adapt to the status quo, when they can actually choose another course of action that lets them change the status quo. <br /><br />If a man wanted to follow the advice in the song and marry an "ugly girl," I certainly wouldn't interfere! I'd be a bit baffled, though, if he did it while there were also a lot of pretty women in the vicinity. I would wonder at his faulty reasoning, even if I never questioned him about it. I would assume that he thought he wasn't good enough to raise his standards. <br /><br />And that's close to what I'm saying here. If Bill's advice depressed Anne, it would have been because she took it to mean that she would have to put up with undiluted "beta" for the rest of her life, if she wants a lasting marriage. What I'm suggesting here is that more men are "alpha" than this advice makes them seem. Anne just has to figure out how to bring it out in a man who is actually worthwhile, by <i>being</i> a woman who is also worthwhile.Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-3814219567639012872012-06-25T15:43:09.236-07:002012-06-25T15:43:09.236-07:00@B... "…If you want to be happy for the rest ...@B... "…If you want to be happy for the rest of your life/ Never make a pretty woman your wife… let's say a man takes this advice … How is his happiness different from that of a drug addict in the middle of a hallucination?...”<br /><br />A later verse in that song references the virtue of this ugly woman as being able to “cook meals on time” and “..Yeah she’s ugly but she sure can cook…” <br /><br />Have you ever heard the expression that the way to a man’s heart is through his stomach? <br /> <br />We are wired to eat too. It’s a survival thing. I think that particular wiring trumps the wiring for wanting good looks in a mate. Looks aren’t the only thing that attracts. <br /><br />That's how a man can be happy with an "ugly" woman. <br /><br />GrasshopperGrasshoppernoreply@blogger.com