tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post4422092389015490635..comments2023-11-02T08:41:44.231-07:00Comments on The Sanctuary: Film Review: MandingoSpacetravellerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-21445079368365272372012-06-12T06:23:06.727-07:002012-06-12T06:23:06.727-07:00@ Anonymous,
"Stop sticking up for her. She ...@ Anonymous,<br /><br /><i>"Stop sticking up for her. She was just plain mean."</i> <br /><br />If you mean Blanche, I don't stick up for her, at least not much!<br />I do have <i>some</i> sympathy for her, because she was young, and afterall, incest is not something a girl would normally initiate, even though we can safely say that she was not 'raped' by her brother per se, except of course in the 'statutory rape' legal sense if she had been underage when it happened.<br />I totally agree with you that most of the usual stereotypes of people of differnt races/classes were destroyed by the characters in this movie. Thanks for pointing that out - I think I missed this in my review of the film, as I concentrated mostly on the SMP issues it demonstrates.<br />I think it is indeed a very clever film.Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-23115542589661264342012-06-11T22:36:25.617-07:002012-06-11T22:36:25.617-07:00Stop sticking up for her. She was just plain mean....Stop sticking up for her. She was just plain mean. And she fucked it up for everyone that lived there. She liked to drink get nasty and have it her Way. it is just shocking because people think white lady's are far from this image. And the white guy was nice and loved black chicks. He made sweet love to them. And was cool with the male slaves. Deep down if he could he would have left with Ellen and there kid. He was a good guy in those times. And it's just shocking because every one thinks white men are most of the time power hungry and evil. And the slave chick had a white man under her finger. He took her on rides and gave her rubys and he hated to see her upset. So he would let there child be free just for her. And it's shocking because why would a white man go out his way for a black slave woman. And mr Mandingo was hard working and he did what ever his slaver owner asked. Why? Because he was brainwashed and thought he was really his friend. Why do you think he won the fight? Because his owner wanted to stop the fight because he seen how fucked Mandingo was and he did not want him killed. And mandingo was shocked and he won just of that reaction of haveing a white man care. And it's shocking because he was a black man that was bigger better stronger more hardworking and loyal then most men wish they could ever be. And I'm Aisan and this showed me that all the stereotypes we have today are nothing but. And white people really deep down admire black ones. Well.... Or they might just be sexual attracted to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-77206633404204890132012-04-05T05:12:09.125-07:002012-04-05T05:12:09.125-07:00All men from all cultures are naturally irreverent...All men from all cultures are naturally irreverent and dirty, the brits just create a shock and awe with that fact because they have this worldwide image or discipline and proper manner. so to speakLosthttp://datingonthemove.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-18833690248161561632012-04-02T11:58:23.496-07:002012-04-02T11:58:23.496-07:00I have one vote! Woohooo!
Oh well I can always wr...I have one vote! Woohooo! <br />Oh well I can always write this license features on my futuristics novels, dreaming is all left sometimes.Anacaonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01387352527966335669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-58982879279243994962012-04-01T22:28:43.194-07:002012-04-01T22:28:43.194-07:00"I always though that people should have a li...<i> "I always though that people should have a license for adulthood after passing a serious of psychological, social and mental tests and then get all the benefits of adulthood (sex, jobs, driving) when we are sure they understand the responsibilities,..." </i> <br /><br />Anacaona, have you thought about going into politics?<br />I'll vote for you if you do.<br />This comment of yours made me laugh out loud. I don't think I have <i> ever </i> heard anyone suggest this before. But clearly, this sort of thing IS required nowadays for certain factions of 'youff culture'.<br />But somehow, I can see that you and I will be outvoted on this one though...<br />*sigh*Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-80287274590267192732012-04-01T21:43:32.507-07:002012-04-01T21:43:32.507-07:00Glad you like me here.
I was attracted to this po...Glad you like me here. <br />I was attracted to this post because is rare to have someone to get past race and see other things on this type of movies really rare.<br /><br />Is funny that someone will use the M word because I'm just talking about Blanche. Not about all women, all virgins or all married women. I'm judging her for a whole set of events. Feminism loves to use all women arguments when it suits them.<br />Virginity was something that the whole family and environment had to work to keep so unavoidably some of them will fail and there is why there was other ways to deal with this. One has to wonder were Blanche's mother was in all this she would had not allowed too much closeness with a brother and in the case of something happening she would had instructed her daughter how to deal with the situation without getting humiliated by a future husband.<br />I still think that if they would had wanted to portray Blanche in a better light they would had tried to show more about her abuse, like some details about how this was going on for years, how much she suffered, how much no one believed her and so on. The fact that it was treated like "token" reason makes me feel we weren't supposed to like her that much, YMMV.<br /><br />I'm not sure about the age of consent myself. I always though that people should have a license for adulthood after passing a serious of psychological, social and mental tests and then get all the benefits of adulthood (sex, jobs, driving) when we are sure they understand the responsibilities, so I don't believe age being the ultimate factor but real maturity, again YMMV.Anacaonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01387352527966335669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-67544225268326317142012-04-01T10:06:07.704-07:002012-04-01T10:06:07.704-07:00Anacaona said...
"Interesting analysis
I don...Anacaona said...<br /><br />"Interesting analysis<br />I don't know what gender is anonimous but he/she kind of misses the point. Back in the day a woman only needed to be past puberty to be considered of age. In many countries still 13 is the age of consent."<br /><br />Maybe so, Anacaona, but 13 year old girls playing games with brother incest don't exactly equivocate to age of consent. <br /><br />Spacetraveler, I suspect you tend to condemn bad behavior in women more easily than in men, just as I condemn bad behavior in men much more easily than in women. By the same token, we both have serious issues with the last wave of feminism, but I'm pretty sure you agree with me that both female feminists and 'mangina' men are part of this last, current wave of feminism.<br /><br />Like I said, I'll never watch this movie, but I still think the husband was the screwy one here. And you'll probably never change your mind that the wife was the wrong, not the wronged. It's ok that we differ, it's just a movie. And if virginity was such a huge thing during the time setting of the movie, why didn't the husband just annul the marriage? It was fairly easy to do back then, all you needed was proof of no virginity, according to what I have read. But, then there is also the issue of cousins marrying, which was often a huge no-no in those days. <br /><br />Too much drama, nothing blowing up, not a guy flick.<br /><br />The Navy CorpsmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-65400179302083093872012-04-01T00:12:51.523-07:002012-04-01T00:12:51.523-07:00@ Anacaona,
Welcome to The Sanctuary!
It's re...@ Anacaona,<br /><br />Welcome to The Sanctuary!<br />It's really nice to see you here.<br />Thanks for your comment on this film.<br /><br />'Anonymous' is a man, AKA The Navy Corpsman.<br /><br />You know what Anacaona?<br />I was stunned by your comment.<br />I do agree with you 100%. But I can see how many might construe yours and my viewpoint as misogynistic. Indeed it is said that women are the most misogynistic of all, much more than men.<br />Whatever.<br />I am especially pleased to see that you 'get' the point I was clumsily trying to make about Blanche. It is not so much the loss of her virginity that is the problem, but her underlying bad character which was exposed throughout the course of the film, first with her deception of Hammond, then her maltreatment of Ellen, then her entrapping of Mede. As you say, she was determined to drag everyone else down with her as she sank lower and lower into the pit of her own making. This is why I insist that despite her unfortunate past she could still have made a great wife and ousted Ellen as a candidate for Hammond's affections. She really had it in her power to turn things around, but she chose the 'path of least resistance' aka low-hanging fruit and went for the 'easy' but destructive option.<br />I am also all for virginity, but recognise that it is not a proxy for 'good character' necessarily. In this sense, it is just another trait a woman has in her 'armoury' like 'beauty', (albeit more important than beauty because it takes a certain strength of character to remain chaste wheras one is born beautiful).<br />I suspect that even if Blanche had been a virgin, she would <i> still </i> have found a way to mess up her marriage. Too immature.<br /><br />Harsh?<br />Cruel to be kind...<br />If Blanche were my friend, I would tell her all the above, with the words "Yer doin' it wrong, sista, yer doin' it wrong."<br /><br />The age of consent is 13 in some countries? I didn't know that. I thought it was 16 across the board.<br /><br />If I were in charge I would raise it to 18. In the old days, a 13 year old girl was probably already mature (she had to be - she was facing the prospect of imminent motherhood). Not so anymore. Feminism has raised the age at which many women today mature.Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-9733423525241234772012-03-31T21:36:42.313-07:002012-03-31T21:36:42.313-07:00Interesting analysis
I don't know what gender ...Interesting analysis<br />I don't know what gender is anonimous but he/she kind of misses the point. Back in the day a woman only needed to be past puberty to be considered of age. In many countries still 13 is the age of consent. I despise Roman Polanski with the fire of two thousand suns but this are two different issues.<br />Given that I still remember the times when virginity was considered of great value to a woman Blanche I think was depicted as a tragic villain. She had something bad happened to her that might or might not sour her as a person but then any woman from that time would had known that she indeed deceived her husband and will had tried to "compensate" by being a model wife probably beyond another wife would. Because virginity was the "seal of guarantee" that you were a loyal, virtuous woman without that you needed to proof that in other ways thus you are right many women did had to work harder after the wedding night but few men in love will kick out their young exciting brides if they were honest about it and showed the model behaviour they expected. Again a woman not being a virgin at the wedding night was the equivalent of a man pretending to be rich just to take you to leave in dumpster back then.<br />Blanche was just going in a downward spiral and drag in it as many people as she could, I'm sure feminist will read her as a victim of patriarchy but again with context she doesn't seem so much a victim IMO, YMMV.<br />PS<br />Great analysis!Anacaonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01387352527966335669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-32806221051042680312012-03-31T08:44:20.348-07:002012-03-31T08:44:20.348-07:00Lost,
"And it isn't even the worst thin...Lost,<br /><br /><i> "And it isn't even the worst things i've done." </i> <br />Somehow I am inclined to believe you on this one LOL.<br /><br />The British are particularly prone to irreverence despite 'stiff upper lip' on the outside...<br /><br />Men can sure get away with this more than women, though. Social protocole dictates so :-)Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-7324307168297349052012-03-31T05:27:42.810-07:002012-03-31T05:27:42.810-07:00Why would you want for me to be British?
But yes ...Why would you want for me to be British?<br /><br />But yes i live by "The shock factor" and irreverent humour..... <br /><br />I'll give you an example, making a honking noise while squeazing one of my partner's breasts. Now THAT'S irreverence being off the charts.... And it isn't even the worst things i've done.Losthttp://datingonthemove.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-54033019299901325392012-03-30T15:23:27.041-07:002012-03-30T15:23:27.041-07:00Lost,
Had I not known better, I might have mistak...Lost,<br /><br />Had I not known better, I might have mistaken you for a Brit...<br />LOL.<br /><br />I just realised something amusing.<br />You seem to have backed up what the post on 'The Shock factor' is all about.<br />A woman <i> could </i> have made your Mandingo comment, for sure, but let's face it, it was always going to be a bloke, right?Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-68909100259916427932012-03-30T14:46:58.036-07:002012-03-30T14:46:58.036-07:00@ Lost,
"Search "mandingo" in goo...@ Lost,<br /><br /><i> "Search "mandingo" in google and the second result will justify my "irreverence" "</i> <br /><br />Well, I did, and then wished immediately I hadn't.<br />I never learn...<br />:-)<br /><br />Yes this was a looong post.<br />Apologies for that.<br />Too many issues in this film!Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-86707086630439214422012-03-30T14:19:18.920-07:002012-03-30T14:19:18.920-07:00I find you comment irreverent. Merely stating a fa...I find you comment irreverent. Merely stating a fact that isn't insulting, demeaning, judging and so on and so for about the party i am speaking with is hardly disrespectful.<br /><br />Search "mandingo" in google and the second result will justify my "irreverence"<br /><br />by the way i'm trying to catch up on your blog with no success.. you write way too much for this guyLosthttp://datingonthemove.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-76109843749850262602012-03-30T13:04:35.528-07:002012-03-30T13:04:35.528-07:00@ NC,
Thanks for your points.
Yes, the cuckoldry/...@ NC,<br /><br />Thanks for your points.<br />Yes, the cuckoldry/betrayal thing should have been worded better.<br /><br />I agree that this movie's context of slavery makes it really difficult to tease out the clandestine SMP issues it conceals.<br /><br />Blanche's story is sad inasmuchas she was probably raped by her brother, yes. Although there is a scene where one gets a different impression...It is never mentioned how old he was when this happened, but it is clear that he is indeed an older brother.<br />But in a way, this brings up another question. Why didn't she just tell Hammond all this before marriage? She clearly intended to deceive him, given that virginity was held in high esteem in her era. It seems to me that she only married Hammond to escape her old life, quite possibly her brother too. So she was a reluctant bride in the sense that she married for all the wrong reasons.<br />Hammond did not go looking for Elen until after he discovered Blanche's secret. So actually, his cheating was a reaction to her 'cheating' him out of a virgin bride. I guess to a man who was used to having virgins, to end up with a non-virgin wife would have been quite the insult, whatever the circumstances surrounding his wife's case.<br />You say Hammond should have kicked her out of the plantation. <br />Perhaps that would have been worse for her? Because that would have effectively turned her into a divorced woman in an era where no-one got divorced, and then there would have been the inevitable question...why? She couldn't really leave Hammond either for the very same reason. Blanche was effectively stuck.<br /><br />She had it bad, I agree. But she could have made it work. In any case, there was no need to go sleep with Mede. Here's an example of the double standard at work: when he did it, it worked out great for him. When she did it, it ended up real bad for her and everyone concerned.<br />Every woman should know this, I think.<br /><br /><br />@ Lost,<br /><br />What?!<br />Your irreverence is off the chart, mister!<br />:-)Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-77640190658027615622012-03-30T12:30:42.874-07:002012-03-30T12:30:42.874-07:00And here i thought Mandingo was just a male pornst...And here i thought Mandingo was just a male pornstar with a massive dick.....Losthttp://datingonthemove.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-70338047943821520892012-03-30T10:53:59.299-07:002012-03-30T10:53:59.299-07:00Spacetraveler said...
"Cuckoldry. A man'...Spacetraveler said...<br /><br /><br />"Cuckoldry. A man's greatest fear..."<br /><br />"Betrayal/cuckoldry. A man's worst nightmare."<br /><br />Again, you didn't quite get it. Even with the subtext of slavery, even with the Patriarchy staring at us with the double standard, it's not the greatest fear or nightmare. <br /><br />If you had said, "Cuckoldry. The worst form of betrayal.." you'd be on the right path. Betrayal, lack of loyalty, abandonment of commitment, all those are the nightmare of which you speak. But, even with all the subplots, this man (Never saw this movie, probably won't) did nothing to deserve the loyalty he expects from a wife. Despite the culture which allowed him sexual predatory status without consequences on slave women, he failed, in epic fashion, to follow his own marriage vows. No, this is not a man who can expect loyalty.<br /><br />Looking at the new bride, it must be admitted she has some serious baggage, but considering the 13 year old claim, surely it's not something for which we could saddle her with any blame. Regardless of that point, she is right in blaming her husband for her own lack of loyalty. Sure, with slave females in such a strange society, his betrayal is that much more horrifying to her, but the basic fact remains, his was the original betrayal. <br /><br />You asked if a man can forgive cuckoldry... well, I cannot speak for all men, but I could easily ignore the games she played as an immature 13 year old girl. That one is her brother's fault, if he was an adult. The bearing of another man's child, in the context of this movie? Problem is, we're not allowed to view this movie with modern eyes, as if slavery was wrong to these people. How can we say the father was a moral man, when he owned slaves? How can we possibly say the son/husband was in love with a slave, when he paid money for her? If we accept their society as valid for the time period, then what the wife did was wrong, in the context of the times. She should have just left her husband. And, what the husband did afterwards was wrong, he should have just kicked the wife off the plantation.<br /><br />Some men can forgive anything, if the love they bear is strong enough. For me, such an act would kill any love I had. Believe me, love can be killed.<br /><br />The sensitive topic you mention, the film's ability to suggest that the son/husband was not raping the slave women... sorry, even without seeing the film, I gotta call bullshirt. Roman Polanski got hundreds of his celebrity friends to say publicly that what he did with a 13 year old girl wasn't "Rape-rape". I wonder, had the rapist been a conservative talk-show host, would it be "Rape-rape"? And, had the girls been in a brothel, and white, both perfectly legal at the time of the movie's setting, would it be rape?<br /><br />As was said on your blog a couple weeks ago, principles are either followed completely, or the person is not principled. That seems to be a 'non-negotiable', and it's one I understand very well. <br /><br />The whole movie seems to be one that the director was attempting to show the evils of slavery as well as the evils of patriarchy in one fell swoop. Yet, anyone with an ounce of brains can look back at the reality of that time in history, and show evil existed by our modern eyes. Want to bet that a hundred years from now, someone could make a movie about how men are put in debtor's prison for failing to make child support payments regardless of his being unemployed, and call it evil? How about the systemic denial of basic human rights across EVERY single nation on this planet?<br /><br />Finally:<br /><br />"Are men expecting too much of modern woman?"<br /><br />Clearly so, if men are going their own way and refusing to marry. Equally clear is that modern women are also expecting too much of men.<br /><br />The Navy CorpsmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com