tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post4889988939656244774..comments2023-11-02T08:41:44.231-07:00Comments on The Sanctuary: ManhatersSpacetravellerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comBlogger189125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-8962225238518909942020-09-01T05:42:56.271-07:002020-09-01T05:42:56.271-07:00Hi there! I could have sworn I've been to this...Hi there! I could have sworn I've been to this blog before but after reading through some of the post I realized it's new to me. Nonetheless, I'm definitely delighted I found it and I'll be book-marking and checking back often!<a href="https://www.hammondelec.com" rel="nofollow">สล็อตออนไลน์</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-32220583363936248322014-01-27T03:13:40.257-08:002014-01-27T03:13:40.257-08:00Any woman, every woman wants to be wanted. And dom...Any woman, every woman wants to be wanted. And dominated and conquered by a man stronger than her. And you get really b*tchy when that doesn't happen.<br />What modern women don't realize is that you have priced yourselves out of the market. You are no longer worth the pursuit.RedPillSetMeFreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-72702992520631628982012-08-19T14:55:14.401-07:002012-08-19T14:55:14.401-07:00@ Bob,
"I've met women who aren't m...@ Bob,<br /><br /><i> "I've met women who aren't married because all the men they meet aren't as good as their fathers." </i> <br /><br />Counterproductive!<br />One of the 'blessings in disguise' of modern times is that fewer and fewer women will have this problem...most won't even have had a father to begin with.<br />Sadly, ths of course brings with it a whole host of other problems. From the frying pan into the fire indeed!<br /><br /> Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-90835441814470683062012-08-17T10:44:40.707-07:002012-08-17T10:44:40.707-07:00@Bob
I've met women who aren't married be...@Bob <br /><i>I've met women who aren't married because all the men they meet aren't as good as their fathers.</i> <br /><br />I know a woman whose marriage failed partly because her husband wasn't--in her eyes--as good as her father. :( Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-45902820258422007732012-08-17T08:25:05.744-07:002012-08-17T08:25:05.744-07:00@ Bob,
"Sometimes, men look for women like ...@ Bob,<br /><br /><i> "Sometimes, men look for women like their mothers, and women look for men like their mothers." </i> <br /><br />I heard about this too, that both genders look for partners like their mothers!<br /><br />Hm, I see how this can be true... although I always believed that some women 'seek out' their father in a potential husband.<br /><br /><br />Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-37071630311009340552012-08-16T21:49:59.160-07:002012-08-16T21:49:59.160-07:00"Could one theory be that they didn't had..."Could one theory be that they didn't had a father and they're somehow angry?"<br /><br />I've met women who aren't married because all the men they meet aren't as good as their fathers.<br /><br />Sometimes, men look for women like their mothers, and women look for men like their mothers.<br /><br />I sometimes get women young enough to be my daughter giving me that double-look (the word "recognize" means "to look twice").<br /><br />I know I remind them of their fathers. I've also gone out with women who I've found I bear a strong resemblance to their fathers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16046202647270439670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-6184087345186387362012-08-02T11:08:59.687-07:002012-08-02T11:08:59.687-07:00@ ST
Thanks!
@ Grasshopper
The fact that you ha...@ ST<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />@ Grasshopper<br /><br />The fact that you have pondered what I've said and could be convinced to marry means a lot to me. But finding that special person who is on the same page, yes, that's tough. Even tougher if you're a bit unconventional. <br /><br />I once commented at Bellita's that I didn't feel so bad about being a "niche" market. Sigfried and Roy had given me some hope. (How niche can you be? 2 gay white tiger trainers/performers?)If they could find each other and be on the same page, it holds out hope for everyone else.just visitingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-91297803087421081822012-08-02T09:12:35.064-07:002012-08-02T09:12:35.064-07:00@JV… “…There's no better feeling in the world ...@JV… “…There's no better feeling in the world than being in love and the two of you being on the same page…”<br /><br />I have been in love a few times – but never has my beloved been on the same page as me. I was even engaged once and seriously planning a wedding before it got through my thick skull she wasn’t on the same page and wasn’t even in love with me for that matter. <br /> <br />I think that is what has always been missing and what would convince me as a man to marry. That same page thing you’re talking about here. <br /><br />GrasshopperGrasshoppernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-62356898780925119252012-08-02T07:59:32.348-07:002012-08-02T07:59:32.348-07:00@NC
Now see? That wasn't so difficult. (ha!) ...@NC <br /><i>Now see? That wasn't so difficult. (ha!)</i> <br /><br />It was never difficult. :) <br /><br /><i>I'm also going to point out to the boys the technological aspects of surrogacy and so on. I know Spacetraveler is now quivering with righteous indignation, so I'll add that I will also point out the disadvantages a single parent has to deal with.</i> <br /><br />Not to mention the deprivation of a child with a single parent. I know the politically correct line is that any loving family is as good as another, whether there are "two mommies," or "two daddies," or a husband and wife, or a polygamous union, or a single parent household, but that's just another feminist-enabled attempt to level a playing field just because you don't like the way it looks. Even if you're a man who opposes feminism. <br /><br />Then there is the biggest ethical problem with surrogacy: the idea that because you can afford to pay for certain technology and to buy sperm or to hire a womb, you are entitled to have a child. It's selfish when women do it and it's selfish when men do it. (To be honest, I don't even think married couples should do it. Too many ethical lines are blurred.) <br /><br />When I mentioned children as a reason to get married, I wasn't referring just to the conception of children but also to the raising of children. If a couple that was "playing house" already had children, I'd hope they were also committed to "going the distance" together, whether a civil contract or religious ceremony is ever involved or not. And if someone had a child through artificial insemination or surrogacy, then I'd also hope they were planning on getting that child another parent someday . . . although, since they've taken that other route, they've either given up on marriage altogether or shot themselves in the foot.Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-86549963381700962822012-08-02T04:38:09.680-07:002012-08-02T04:38:09.680-07:00@ JV and Bell,
"I love your comment, by the ...@ JV and Bell,<br /><br /><i>"I love your comment, by the way. It takes one who has lived it to describe it properly. While I still see it "through a glass darkly," you have seen it "face to face." Thanks for that beautiful description!"</i> <br /><br />+1.<br />What a beautiful description of what marriage (or a partnership of any sort) should be, JV!<br />Thanks for that image...<br /><br />@ NC,<br /><br /><i>"I know Spacetraveler is now quivering with righteous indignation, so I'll add that I will also point out the disadvantages a single parent has to deal with."</i> <br /><br />:-)Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-56500873092620379222012-08-01T18:59:01.821-07:002012-08-01T18:59:01.821-07:00Jacquie said...
"NC,
I read with interest a...Jacquie said...<br /><br />"NC,<br /><br />I read with interest a few weeks ago your comments from January I think it was, about MGTOW. I asked my husband to read it also and he was just as interested and intrigued. Doing some research about MGTOW brought me to a manifesto that helped me outline a subject I’d wanted to write about on my blog: femininity. The vast amount of reading we have both been doing have opened a lot of dialog and we both recognize much of we’d seen but didn’t quite understand, and has also given us a different perspective of everything around us. Our children are all adults, none are married yet. We raised them mostly in fundamental churches, none of us currently attend any church on a regular basis. They are not quite sure what to make of my husband and I and the changes see in us. I guess it would be expected. "<br /><br />I'm wondering what comment I made, that was so interesting.<br /><br />Raising kids has never been easy, in any way. I firmly believe that all parents fail in some way, but that the best parents realize this and try even harder, and we never really understand until we raise our own children.<br /><br />The one thing I was trying to get across, and clearly failed at, was that marriage is seldom supposed to be about oneself, but rather selfless. At least, that's how my wife and I view it. All the posturing and Gaming and other preliminaries are merely there to ensure that you're finding the One that you can spend the rest of your life with... the easy part is finished when you say "I do". <br /><br />Every man has an ideal of feminine nature in women and every woman an ideal of masculine in men. (at least, hetero men and women do) The very best compliment I can give a woman is that she is 'elegant'. That one word sums up the totality of the feminine, for me. The whole idea of me telling my wife to act 'ladylike' just sets my teeth on edge, and she would likewise never tell me to 'man up'! The best relationships should logically therefore be between Mr X who meets Miss Y's masculine requirements while she simultaneously meets his wish for femininity. <br /><br />But, I'm quite progressive, too. I believe that if a woman wants to act like a man, she can. If a man wants to be a drag queen, he can. I wish them both luck in finding someone who wants that, if that is their wish. I have high regard for personal and individual rights and civil liberties, as long as their claims make no impact on my rights. Life is far too short and painful to spend any part of it in condemning another persons' lifestyle. I get comments about my long hair all the time, and some can be quite hateful. I don't like it, so why say something negative about anyone else? Note please, this does not include criminal behavior. <br /><br />Jacquie, I read a portion of your posts on femininity, you've done quite well at articulating a traditional marriage into words, not an easy feat! It never ceases to amaze me how 'women need men like a fish needs a bicycle' yet those same women are the ones asking where all good men went...<br /><br /><br />The Navy CorpsmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-20018797441759379912012-08-01T18:23:39.241-07:002012-08-01T18:23:39.241-07:00Now see? That wasn't so difficult. (ha!)
No...Now see? That wasn't so difficult. (ha!)<br /><br /><br />Now, take it back 50 years, and realize the exact same things you lot have pointed out, were true back then as well.<br /><br />The point I'm trying to make is, marriage is really no more and no less than it was for the past 5000 years, excluding of course, arranged marriages. What HAS changed, is the people involved in it. Spacetraveler pointed this out a couple months ago with her 'low hanging fruit' analogy. And, of course, it does not help when the mainstream media blasts us everyday with bad news on nearly every aspect of society.<br /><br />Since my grandson asked me that question, I spent quite some time on the internet to learn what is going on nowadays, and I really struggled to give him an answer that was unbiased, yet at least somewhat optimistic. By the way, I have four grandsons and one granddaughter, and I was pretty convinced that I would tell them all to remain single.<br /><br />Yet now, I think I'll give them the advice somewhat similar to an aggregation of the points ya'll just made. Especially to the eldest, as he has already had the 'anything worth doing is going to be difficult' speech from both his father and myself. <br /><br />But rest assured, I will spend a lot of time explaining the pitfalls of the legal system as pertains marriage, where the government plays God in making marriage a legal contract, rather than a sacred trust.<br /><br />I'm also going to point out to the boys the technological aspects of surrogacy and so on. I know Spacetraveler is now quivering with righteous indignation, so I'll add that I will also point out the disadvantages a single parent has to deal with.<br /><br />Thank you, ladies, for playing along. As I have said before, you're definitely outliers on the bell curve. I admire your willingness to take a stand which is quite unpopular in society today, for the sake of keeping faith with yourselves.<br /><br />The Navy CorpsmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-47510287492261363822012-08-01T13:57:46.881-07:002012-08-01T13:57:46.881-07:00Thanks! I'm glad that you didn't erase the...Thanks! I'm glad that you didn't erase the Rocky analogy. It describes it perfectly.just visitingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-63139554072433465672012-08-01T13:50:57.613-07:002012-08-01T13:50:57.613-07:00@JV
And to think that I almost erased the Rocky a...@JV <br />And to think that <i>I</i> almost erased the Rocky analogy! ;) <br /><br />I love your comment, by the way. It takes one who has lived it to describe it properly. While I still see it "through a glass darkly," you have seen it "face to face." Thanks for that beautiful description!Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-73964492556022349342012-08-01T13:10:20.706-07:002012-08-01T13:10:20.706-07:00I wrote an answer to this, but erased it. It just ...I wrote an answer to this, but erased it. It just didn't satisfy what I wanted to say. Children and a stable cilvilization are hardly going to convince a man to marry.<br /><br />But Belita's Rocky analagy puts words into something that I couldn't put my finger on. You grow as a person. But you also grow as a soul.<br />There is a range of experience that comes from marriage. And not all of it is sunshine and rainbows. A lot of that growth comes from sacrifice. Not a popular concept in this day and age. But, there's a depth and range that comes from feeling, experiencing,examining and asking the big questions. And living through it. <br /><br />You can experience love and intimacy without commitment. But there's an added dimension, a quality that requires you to think and feel outside of the box when you can't just walk away when things are difficult. And there's a wonderful dimension to being someones ideal, and being with your ideal.<br /><br />There's no better feeling in the world than being in love and the two of you being on the same page, growing, and both trying to be the best possible people that you can be.just visitingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-76356491467376151962012-08-01T12:10:14.537-07:002012-08-01T12:10:14.537-07:00@ Bell
I like that you brought up "going the...@ Bell<br /><br />I like that you brought up "going the distance". I'm very much an optimist and this past year has been filled with so many highs and lows because of this. I see that there are not as many who believe in "going the distance" as once were. <br /><br />One of the main catalysts for my husband and I to examine ourselves and our relationship and make changes was because of all the couple we saw our age dissolving their marriages. These were marriages in the 25+ range where children had reached adult age and moved out. The couples split because there was no longer a reason to stay together. <br /><br />In our reevaluation we realized that we still held common goals. We still saw the world similarly even though the way we each see it is changing we are each changing in the same direction. For the progress we have made together and individually I have felt the highs, we are better people individually and it has made our relationship better. The lows is what I see now that I have removed the rose colored glasses. My son asked my husband and I recently about the changes; it is not so much that we have changed, but that we had to changed the way we respond to what we see. We no longer see the world as how we want it to be, but we see it for what it is. We have also moved further on in life and what we viewed earlier we now see from a different vantage point, a different perspective. With new information our opinions have changed. The good thing is that with all the changes we still are facing the same direction going the same way, going the distance; and we are working proactively to keep it that way.Jacquiehttp://barefootinaclearing.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-71320843581396917072012-08-01T11:54:01.150-07:002012-08-01T11:54:01.150-07:00Why should a single man get married nowadays?
Chi...<i>Why should a single man get married nowadays?</i><br /><br />Children<br /><br />NC,<br /> <br />I read with interest a few weeks ago your comments from January I think it was, about MGTOW. I asked my husband to read it also and he was just as interested and intrigued. Doing some research about MGTOW brought me to a manifesto that helped me outline a subject I’d wanted to write about on my blog: femininity. The vast amount of reading we have both been doing have opened a lot of dialog and we both recognize much of we’d seen but didn’t quite understand, and has also given us a different perspective of everything around us. Our children are all adults, none are married yet. We raised them mostly in fundamental churches, none of us currently attend any church on a regular basis. They are not quite sure what to make of my husband and I and the changes see in us. I guess it would be expected. <br /><br />It is difficult to advise them recently in light of all we have read. Our oldest lives with a very nice man, we like him. I don’t feel the need as much to ask her when they plan to marry. Our son is dating a young woman we wish he weren’t, too many red flags. My husband counseled him recently to move in with her, they are talking about getting married. She doesn’t want to have the appearance of evil by them doing this, yet they are sexually active and I don’t know how my son cannot see the hypocrisy of that. Too many other flags to mention. I am not sure if advising any of them to marry is best except that I know they all want children. I believe children should have mom and dad make a commitment on paper, even though I know there are so many who don’t opt to marry even for this reason. <br /><br />When my husband and I talk about what we would do if one of us should go before the other and we each agree that we would probably not marry again. We would possibly find someone to share good times with and be exclusive; companionship. But not sure if marriage again would be of an added benefit at this stage in our lives. <br /><br />So the answer would depend on if a man wants children and he feels that the legal commitment is needed for raising healthy children.Jacquiehttp://barefootinaclearing.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-84844318855375880972012-08-01T11:21:51.546-07:002012-08-01T11:21:51.546-07:00@NC
The first answer that popped into my mind was...@NC <br />The first answer that popped into my mind was <i>children</i>. I didn't say it because the last time I did, someone told me that men don't want their own children a tenth as much as women do. :P <br /><br />A second answer was that it's good for the community when marriage (or if you prefer, "lifetime commitment") is the norm for relationships, especially where children are involved. (I don't mean "serial" marriage. Divorce should not be part of that norm.)I understand that there are some couples who have made such a commitment to each other but don't care to go through a ceremony to make it "official." If they, too, are "forsaking all others" until death, then I will count their relationship as a marriage. <br /><br />My third answer is <i>tradition</i>. I do think our ancestors got a lot more right than they got wrong, and that much of what they got right is not just practical but also beautiful--and therefore worth preserving for future generations. <br /><br />My fourth answer is the most subjective of all. I think there is something very ennobling to the character (I might even say, to the <i>soul</i>) in the act of trusting someone to be the best "deal" you're ever going to get and in the companion act of living up to the same trust from him or her. Ideally, your partner will stick with you as well, but the ennobling is probably doubled if you are "dumped" but still remain faithful. <br /><br />There are many more things I could say about this, because I've believed in it for many years. But it's always hard to explain. A metaphor I read in a book about the classical trivium is coming to mind. The author said that some learning is like transitive verbs that need objects, because that learning enables you to act on something. But learning the trivium is like an intransitive verb that doesn't need an object, because it only acts on you. (Her example for the intransitive verb: <i>To bloom.</i>) I think that even if a marriage serves no useful purpose in the world, that as long as it enables one's character "to bloom," then it is a good thing. <br /><br />Another example coming to mind is "going the distance" in the first <i>Rocky</i> movie. Rocky would say that the best thing he got out of that match was proof (for himself more than for anyone else) that he was finally able to finish something he had started. It was more for him than for anyone else--and more for making him a better man than making him a better boxer.Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-84563755698928520442012-08-01T11:09:38.715-07:002012-08-01T11:09:38.715-07:00NC,
"Men have been swayed by words from wom...NC,<br /><br /><i> "Men have been swayed by words from women for as long as there have been men and women. Some say men invented language in order to woo women, in the first place, and that women turned out to be better at it." </i> <br /><br />*Chuckle*<br />I have no doubt that this was once true. But events stemming from the 60s killed that tendency in men at point blank range...<br />Making sure there were no survivors left...<br />And <i> et voilà! </i> that is the happy place we all are at now...Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-67854104731111513322012-08-01T10:01:57.421-07:002012-08-01T10:01:57.421-07:00Very interesting... but I find myself dissatisfied...Very interesting... but I find myself dissatisfied with your responses. It's not that men don't WANT to be married, although there are a few of those in every generation. It's that they don't want to get married when the entire concept is set up to fail, at least for them, from the beginning. <br /><br />It was not always thus, and it took time for it to change to where it is. What's even more ironic, is that men are classically defined as 'aggressive' and 'confrontational', yet very few opposed the legislation that took away their rights as fathers and husbands, never believing these laws would be used to the extent they are now. Many many men just went along with it, til they or someone they knew was crushed by the system.<br /><br />I understand your reluctance to to answer, but I also would like to point out that any given mature male would at least keep an open mind about themselves or advising someone else, and marriage. This isn't about convincing a man to marry, who is dead set against the idea. I asked because I genuinely want to know what the benefits are, in today's society. The obvious answer is 'companionship' or 'partnership' with a woman, and this is quite valid; I've made it very plain that my wife and I are partners in life. But, I was hoping for other valid ideas as well. <br /><br />The entire MGTOW movement has wildly differing opinions as to why the individual men are refusing to participate in the 'marketplace'. Naturally so, since each individual has arrived at the red pill through their own experience. The PUA websites mostly claim a non-interest in marriage, yet I can think of two of those sites where the principal PUA/mentor has gotten married, in the past six months of my reading their sites. Danny (and others) state they would dearly love to find a woman to set up housekeeping with, but that it is far more difficult than they ever imagined. Clearly, if a man (or woman) doesn't want to be married, such statements and actions would not be made. Yet, at the same time, many express their doubts that marriage would even be worth the time and hassle it takes to search for that One.<br /><br />Bellita said... "You probably have it right. Men will not be swayed by words (no matter how reasonable) but by actions. So NC's otherwise excellent question cannot really be addressed in this thread!"<br /><br />Oh, do be careful Miss Bellita. Men have been swayed by words from women for as long as there have been men and women. Some say men invented language in order to woo women, in the first place, and that women turned out to be better at it.<br /><br />The Navy CorpsmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-26637416166888952042012-08-01T07:35:59.189-07:002012-08-01T07:35:59.189-07:00@ST
You probably have it right. Men will not be s...@ST <br />You probably have it right. Men will not be swayed by words (no matter how reasonable) but by actions. So NC's otherwise excellent question cannot really be addressed in this thread! <br /><br />I also agree that it's great to have a "Jeff in Sacramento" spell things out for us. How we would we know what action to take if he (and others like him) kept silent?Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-17787115013914721852012-08-01T06:50:22.594-07:002012-08-01T06:50:22.594-07:00Bellita,
"I didn't bother to answer bec...Bellita,<br /><br /><i> "I didn't bother to answer because it seemed to me that a man who is convinced that there is no good in marrying will not be swayed by anything a woman says anyway." </i> <br /><br />There is that, yes.<br />But I think we are also missing out a huge chunk of the pie (if you imagine of the sum total of 'marriageable men' as one huge pie!).<br /><br />I think men in general are more likely to be convinced by 'action' than women (who let's face it will accept 'sweet nothings' without a back-up due to their auditory nature mixed in with - in this case - an unfortunate consequence of her soft-headed feminine nature). Sure, a man is quickly swayed by a pretty face too because he is visual, but his natural masculine and logical (read: hard-headed) nature will usually dissuade him from committing to this one beautiful woman simply because she passed the boner test.<br />Men (including the proponents of the MGTOW movement) who actually do want marriage are currently indistinguishable from those who are MGTOW for their own personal growth/development. The reason is that both groups are just standing by waiting....and waiting....and waiting...for women to get their act together. They won't change their mind about MGTOW until that happens. So it looks like they are permanently unswayable. Some of them are, but unlike women, these men will not be swayable with words, but action. Since action takes longer than words to effectuate, it looks like these men are 'forever' unconvince-able.<br /><br />Ever since your post, I was trying to work out in my head why I found 'Jeff in Sacramento' such as iconic figure.<br />Like you, my focus is on him not because I want a man like him, but because he is among those who actually talk! As I keep saying, I am surrounded by 'quiet men' who don't say anything. They communicate everything by their actions and expect me to do the same. When they are displeased about something I have done, they won't say. I just get the cold shoulder lol. When I do something they think is nice, I get a reward without words :-)<br />It's been this way my whole life!<br />So whilst 'Jeff in Sacramento' is a breath of fresh air to me because he is talking (um, if he overdoes it I will get hives lol), I am especially grateful to him because he is telling me what his 'quiet brother', aka my own male entourage, is thinking but will never tell me.<br />His talking won't necessarily make me want to swap my lot for him, but at least he is providing a good public service to women. So we should listen to him to improve things with our own individual circle of males. I am sure there is a woman somewhere who will listen to Jeff (and therefore be <i> tamed </i> by him to use another of your recent analogies. Keep 'em coming Bell!) and will also think <i> he's </i> the bees knees...That would be a personal triumph for Jeff and an apt reward for his taming of so many other women...<br /><br />So in summary, men want 'action' from women. So they appear 'slow to warm' to the idea of marriage. This is however only so because 'action' from women takes time! The quicker women act, the quicker men will respond...<br /><br />It's not fair on women, but there we are...Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-56092132881553799032012-08-01T05:30:26.260-07:002012-08-01T05:30:26.260-07:00@NC
First post on the thread, and only one attemp...@NC <br /><i>First post on the thread, and only one attempt at answering this one.</i> <br /><br />I didn't bother to answer because it seemed to me that a man who is convinced that there is no good in marrying will not be swayed by anything a woman says anyway. Nor would I advise a woman to target any of these men. Hence my focus on "Jeff in Sacramento," who actually <i>does</i> want to be married and is just frustrated because he can't find any woman who is "marriage material." <br /><br /><i>Why should a single man get married nowadays?</i> <br /><br />NC, I know you're asking sincerely and not because you have a chip on your shoulder, but I can only repeat what I said earlier. If a man already sees no benefit in getting married (whether in a civil or a religious ceremony), then nothing anyone--woman or fellow man--says will change his mind. So why should she try?Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-58269766553401496362012-08-01T02:29:26.127-07:002012-08-01T02:29:26.127-07:00NC,
"And before you answer with the obvious...NC,<br /><br /><i> "And before you answer with the obvious..." </i> <br /><br />I am not sure what you mean by 'the obvious'!<br /><br />But if I may attempt to answer this question...<br /><br />A lot of men here have stated that they believe that marriage IS a good thing even for them, (i.e. not just for women).<br />But, and here's the catch...ONLY with a good woman.<br />So to answer your question, a man should only get married if he thinks he has found a <i> good </i> woman for him (whatever he sees as 'good').<br />Otherwise, don't bother...<br />I think it was JV who first got me to understand that you can change the current divorce laws as much as you like, but if you enter into marriage with a woman who really doesn't love you, you will still end up 'scuppered'. It is an individual thing which cannot be 'cured' by legislation...<br /><br />As for sex, that cannot be used anymore as a 'bargaining tool', in or out of marriage. I think a woman who declines sex (and this is only appropriate outside of marriage of course - I do think it is a heinous crime to deny one's husband sex if there is no good reason to) should be doing that as part of a wider philosophy in an 'outcome-independent' manner and not to 'entrap' a man. Because it woudn't work nowadays...for the simple reason that sex is so cheap and can be easily obtained elsewhere...Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-90147902879964429632012-07-31T23:32:41.436-07:002012-07-31T23:32:41.436-07:00dannyfrom504 said...
"What benefit is it to a...dannyfrom504 said...<br />"What benefit is it to a man to get married?"<br /><br />First post on the thread, and only one attempt at answering this one.<br /><br />No, seriously. I started my entire exploration of the 'Manosphere' as well as misandry, misogyny, and Miss Manners, in an attempt to answer some questions put to me about six months ago, by my 14 year old grandson, about women, marriage and the state of both. I found that I was appallingly unprepared to answer that very question Danny posted here.<br /><br />So tell us, ladies. Why should a single man get married nowadays?<br /><br />And before you answer with the obvious, a dog is a pretty good companion and answering 'sex' WILL allow me to make a chortling sound akin to a raccoon dying of pneumonia, which passes for laughter from yours truly.<br /><br />The Navy CorpsmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com