tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post6653103448697546132..comments2023-11-02T08:41:44.231-07:00Comments on The Sanctuary: Self-policingSpacetravellerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-65154319998601436482013-06-16T01:24:41.383-07:002013-06-16T01:24:41.383-07:00Ceer,
Thank you for reporting the parallels of th...Ceer,<br /><br />Thank you for reporting the parallels of this from the male side of the fence.<br /><br />I am especially grateful for this reporting by you, because I have deliberately (so far) 'ignored' the 'sins' of men. But that's not to say that I believe that men are angels and women are demons.<br /><br />I use this opportunity to make a declaration of sorts:<br /><br />PVW 'commissioned' me to write a post on feminism a loooooong time ago. I have procrastinated so much I am absolutely sure she has given up hope of ever seeing that post up, lol.<br /><br />The real reason I have delayed that post, is that I am still uncovering the day-to-day ills of feminism. Little issues that go unnoticed unless you are specifically looking for them, but are actually big enough to destroy your life, quietly, silently, slowly.<br /><br />This self-ploicing issue is one of them.<br />Women have been systematically trained to 'police' men, I now see clearly. And what's more, we have also been trained to ignore our own faiings (or is it that we are so busy focused on the sins of men, we now lack the ability to see our own sins?)<br /><br />A perfect example of this is that woman who was involved in that 'dongle' case.<br /><br />I bet you that had it been 2 women making the same joke, she wouldn't have done what she did.<br />The problem is, she saw herself as a self-appointed 'crusader' whose noble task was to 'police' those men. And police them she did. And she patted herself on the back because she had 'triumphed for the sisterhood' with her actions.<br />This is the problem. She would never agree with you or I that she simply eavesdropped on a private conversation and overreacted.<br /><br />Now, had she been more focused on her own life, she would never have felt the need to police someone else in such a public way.<br /><br />And so the unintended consequences of this sort of behaviour is that women like me who are fed up with this sort of thing deliberately 'look the other way' when it comes to 'policing' men and sometimes will take it too far.<br /><br />So it is nice to be reminded that men have sins too, but they are NOT necessarily the same sins that we have been led to believe for 40 years :-)<br /><br />I really wish to take the log out of my (female) proverbial eye first, before I can clearly see the speck in my brother's eye.<br /><br />The examples you give above are great ones: although feminism is supposed to be about 'choice', all the choices chosen must be in compliance with feminist principles!<br /><br />So one could say that the idea is 'self-police, but with criminal intent!' Which defeats the whole point of self-policing.<br /><br />At least other organisations or movements are more consistent and honest: The Catholic Church for example has stuck to its 'My way or the highway' mantra for centuries now, and won't ever back down :-)<br />There is no pretense of fake 'choice'.<br /><br />Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-20067848162870565972013-06-15T13:29:44.909-07:002013-06-15T13:29:44.909-07:00You're on to something. Feminism isn't ag...You're on to something. Feminism isn't against self policing...it's against any opposing view point self policing. <br /><br />For example: a young attractive woman goes up to her female boss asking for reduced hours/maternity leave. Said less attractive boss is just SHOCKED that a young up and commer like her would do that. Wasn't she serious about her job?<br /><br />Self policing on the whole is about how a group maintains social cohesion. Which is why anyone saying something callous to a woman like "maybe you should dress less slutty if you want to snag a quality man" is elevated to the level of a hate crime. It's a type of competing worldview that they're trying to crush. <br /><br />You're right that women are particularly affected by this form of pressure, but they're not the only ones. Familiar the stereotype of the jock pummeling the "dweeb/nerd/geek"? This is similar from a man's perspective. The jock can be said to enforce social cohesion by dissuading (albeit immorally) the other guy from pursuing a different marker of status. <br /><br />In the mannosphere, all you have to do is suggest the same systematic extermination of women that feminists preach of men, and you'll quickly see where the boundary on that lies. Ceernoreply@blogger.com