tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post7525793624244052309..comments2023-11-02T08:41:44.231-07:00Comments on The Sanctuary: The Olympic ideal - to go for or to forgo?Spacetravellerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-36681030803118719322012-08-29T12:14:59.818-07:002012-08-29T12:14:59.818-07:00Bell,
I am sure I am not the right person to answ...Bell,<br /><br />I am sure I am not the right person to answer your question, but if I could hazard a guess, it would be... <i> quiet respect. </i><br />I guess a man would expect another man to be able to endure a cockroach up his nose for 30 seconds. If he can't, he will be taken out to the Village Square and whipped with a horsewhip, figuratively speaking. Danny talks a lot about being 'bullied' by other men a lot. I guess all men go through this 'taking him through his paces' sort of thing at some point or other in their lives. A man who doesn't get this 'treatment' may feel he lacks something, eg. the ones who grow up in all-women households.<br />If he is able to do the cockroach thing, he is not <i> lauded</i> for it by other men. He is shown 'quiet respect', aka 'a simple nod and handshake will do'. It is <i> women </i> who might fawn over his supreme masculine-ness, lol. <br />Supreme masculine-ness in a woman, as Fatima displayed, however, will perhaps creep out another woman somewhat, unless she herself is masculinised too, in which case she sees it as a positive in another woman.<br />This is all theory. I would love to test it out on the 'field' one day.<br /><br />Any of the men care to correct/uphold what I say with regard to this?<br />Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-77509499361045342002012-08-29T06:52:12.510-07:002012-08-29T06:52:12.510-07:00@ST
This is very late, but another angle at which...@ST <br />This is very late, but another angle at which to look at Fatima's jungle incident just came to me. <br /><br />Remember that when the cockroach crawled up her nose, all the men (except for the medic) stood around looking disgusted and confused. I wondered whether they would have had the same reactions if Fatima had screamed and acted "girly." You suggested that it would not have been believable coming from her, although they might have reacted differently if it had happened to <i>me</i> and <i>I</i> had screamed . . . and cried . . . and fainted. Hahahaha! <br /><br />Now I'm wondering . . . What if it had happened to a <i>man</i>? If a cockroach crawled up a man's nose and he was able to endure it for thirty seconds before asking for emergency attention, how would their reactions have been different? Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-67424962323453653242012-08-17T08:12:49.109-07:002012-08-17T08:12:49.109-07:00Bell and Lost,
Now this is something I haven'...Bell and Lost,<br /><br />Now this is something I haven't relly thought about, but it makes sense now you mention it!<br /><br />I have no doubt that it is every woman's right (and in fact duty) to ensure that she is at her best self before becoming a mother.<br />But I guess what you are referring to here is a woman who has all the conditions right for having children, but delays this whilst she pursues 'masculine' goals. Whilst many women do this in ignorance, there are, I am sure, some who really have no regard for what's right, and are truly selfish. And the worst part is that it is made 'normal' in today's world.<br />Well I now know it is far from normal...<br />Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-83142350499588128742012-08-16T11:38:20.169-07:002012-08-16T11:38:20.169-07:00Bellita
Unfortunately Both Men and Women's def...Bellita<br />Unfortunately Both Men and Women's definition of victory is the same.... wasn't always such, but i have a great suspicion that its not helping the masculinization of womenLosthttp://datingonthemove.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-60389906607759125952012-08-14T09:50:48.848-07:002012-08-14T09:50:48.848-07:00@ST and @Lost
I wish I had read this latest exchan...@ST and @Lost<br />I wish I had read this latest exchange between you two before writing my latest birth control post. I had been wondering what exactly about the birth control pill is so "masculinizing" to women, and you're touching upon the answer here . . . It enables her to compete on a more level playing field with a man, which in turn makes her act like a man. It doesn't have to be a hormonal thing, but if equality and victory over a competitor are a woman's ideals, then she is going to figure out that the feminine qualities aren't helping her to achieve them. Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-57257973830332796612012-08-14T07:08:20.447-07:002012-08-14T07:08:20.447-07:00Lost,
For sure...the drive to compete to the bitt...Lost,<br /><br />For sure...the drive to compete to the bitter end...not exactly feminine, so ulra-competitive women become more 'aggressive' which may be natural for a man, but not for her.<br />I agree with you that this doesn't only happen in sport...Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-21054666015593542012-08-14T06:29:49.706-07:002012-08-14T06:29:49.706-07:00ST
I never said it made much sense for women. BUT...ST<br /><br />I never said it made much sense for women. BUT it is the way of things in ALL domains. Look at any woman that is competitive in anything, she will start behaving like a man, certain aspects, not completely of course.Losthttp://datingonthemove.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-23702869247960085562012-08-14T04:10:30.209-07:002012-08-14T04:10:30.209-07:00Lost,
You make a great point there.
Bigger, bette...Lost,<br /><br />You make a great point there.<br />Bigger, better, faster, higher...this is indeed the motto of The Olympics.<br />But these make sense for MEN.<br /><br />I see why PVW makes the case that 'amateur' i.e. school age sports for girls is fine, but beyond that, it becomes counterproductive for her.<br />I really see that now, in light of your comment.<br />The more a women goes into the world of sporting excellence, the farther away from her true nature she gets and as you correctly point out, the more the need for testosterone in her system, whether naturally acquired or artificially through doping.<br /><br /><i>"scientifically proven that men give women a dose of testosterone while kissing them to make them hornier and more willing to "accept the seed" haha".</i><br /> <br />Now I never heard this before...but now you mention it, is that why...?<br />No, I won't go there...but let's just say I kinda see your point!<br /><br />;)<br />Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-65992386762587195952012-08-13T22:25:10.270-07:002012-08-13T22:25:10.270-07:00I'm willing to give my 2 cents, as an athlete ...I'm willing to give my 2 cents, as an athlete and a topic that comes around often in my social circle. we are all athletes.<br /><br />Every year the bar is set higher and higher for athletes of a given sport, to be the best and to best the previous best. therefore the sport must consume you, it must become you life and your addiction.<br /><br />Even just back in my day, and i'm not even 30 yet, Attend hockey schools, make the top tier team, work out sporadically in the summer and play other sports to keep yourself active and you have a chance to make it pro.<br />Also pro athletes off-season workouts were to add extra cheese on their Poutine....(google if you don't know my ever so favorite patriotic cultural dish) <br /><br />Fast forward to today, you have to be on a strict regimen, diet, practice and physical conditioning. where in yesteryear being an athlete was a part time deal, today being an athlete is a way of life. <br /><br />Now women in sports, often the discussion goes around about who's the hottest women athletes..... my answer is always that they are all way too manly, except for like gymnastics, sync swimming and the likes so few they are. the reason for this is that we all know that its testosterone the builds muscle and a competitive nature. hence anabolic steroids gives you a max amount of testosterone. hence the males balls shrinking as they are hormonaly no longer needed.<br />but i digress.<br />As women get more and more competitive in athletic sports, so is their need to be high in testosterone, therefore women with a higher level of it in their system naturally, succeed. queue the scandal where the women runner looked like a man a couple of years ago.<br /><br />But anyways. it is the way of our world, in anything, the next generation MUST surpass the last.<br />This brings me to the comment where there is mention of crazy sex orgies in the olympic village. well testosterone is also the horny sex hormone, and as testosterone peak, you get extremely horny, as the case with the O. village.<br /><br />scientifically proven that men give women a dose of testosterone while kissing them to make them hornier and more willing to "accept the seed" hahaLosthttp://datingonthemove.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-67168533920839029052012-08-12T01:51:22.267-07:002012-08-12T01:51:22.267-07:00@ JV and Danny,
LOL!
Actually, this shouldn'...@ JV and Danny,<br /><br />LOL!<br /><br />Actually, this shouldn't surprise me at all. I remember reading an article about this on Athol Kay's blog.<br />People at their physical peak, at a time of great stress (competition) with tons of availability (other fit-looking people in close proximity) and opportunity (separated from their usual partner)...<br />Yes, I see how this could cause a major orgy-esque fest, Danny!<br /><br />@ Anonymous @ 6:19 AM,<br /><br />This young lady you describe has it perfectly right, I agree. If only the rest of us were this savvy at that age, there would be no need for this blog ;)<br />She is truly blessed. I hope she stays this way...Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-46634591184663910232012-08-11T23:35:29.663-07:002012-08-11T23:35:29.663-07:00ST-
JV isn't joking. there's a LOT of sex...ST-<br /><br />JV isn't joking. there's a LOT of sex going down in olympic village. it's almost orgy-esque.dannyfrom504http://dannyfrom504.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-18415827870488153772012-08-11T06:19:58.720-07:002012-08-11T06:19:58.720-07:00The 21 year old daughter of a friend of mine is ge...The 21 year old daughter of a friend of mine is getting into sports modeling, she is a runner , studying nutrition and a fitness coach. <br /><br />She has a boy friend and as I understand it understands both her sports and reproductive physiologies. <br /><br />She is university trained, fit, works hard, and has nutrition and coaching skills that will benefit her partner and family in the future. <br /><br />She may have to put on a few kg to have a family, but she will have great bone structure and fitness when the time comes. <br /><br />Not bad really.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-41658842209362479712012-08-10T13:04:22.816-07:002012-08-10T13:04:22.816-07:00@ ST
http://zeenews.india.com/sports/london-olym...@ ST<br /><br /><br />http://zeenews.india.com/sports/london-olympics-2012/soft-spot/london-olympics-2012-condom-wars-break-out-in-olympic-village_747108.htmljust visitingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-11231736458138098842012-08-10T12:37:28.547-07:002012-08-10T12:37:28.547-07:00@ Danny,
Um, funnily enough it's the same sto...@ Danny,<br /><br />Um, funnily enough it's the same story with me and George Clooney. But that Stacey woman keeps getting in the way...<br />Hahahahaha!<br />Danny, why not? We SHOULD dream big, lol.<br /><br />Bellita,<br /><br /><i> "Is she religious, too? Maybe someone can set her up with Tim Tebow. ;)" </i> <br /><br />Several people beat you to it!!!<br />Lolo Jones is indeed a Christian, yes. And several people have suggested she pair up with Tebow. In fact this was her response:<br /><br />http://www.nesn.com/2012/06/us-olympic-hurdler-lolo-jones-has-been-creating-buzz-away-from-the-track-lately-the-29-year-old-olympian-admitted-she-was.html<br /><br />But alas, she is around 5 years older than Tebow, and he currently has a gf, so...<br />But you never know, right?<br /><br />@ JV,<br /><br /><i> "Every Olympic's , several thousands of condoms are handed out."</i> <br /><br />Please tell me you're kidding.Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-52508145929663404192012-08-10T10:39:23.782-07:002012-08-10T10:39:23.782-07:00@ Danny
Lol.
ST and Bellita
Very good points!! ...@ Danny<br /><br />Lol.<br /><br />ST and Bellita<br /><br />Very good points!! I think Lolo would have one more thing going for her. Every Olympic's , several thousands of condoms are handed out. All those physically fit people, being away from home, years of discipline and hardwork culminating into one long party after your event. If you could avoid temptation atthat level, I think that you could rest assured that she could avoid the temptation of affairs after marriage.just visiting.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-7934003052162452502012-08-10T07:56:03.810-07:002012-08-10T07:56:03.810-07:00@ST
If you read her life-story, you will have se...@ST <br /><i> If you read her life-story, you will have seen that she had a particularly hard life</i> <br /><br />I just read it. :( You're right that it was horrible beyond words. <br /><br /><i> I think </i>I<i> would treat Fatima as I would any other woman, because for me, knowing that she is a woman is enough, even if she doesn't look like one. </i> <br /><br />I feel the same way, ST! But I think this is related to what Ceer was saying in the other thread about divorced women wanting a "second chance" in church and being championed by fellow women. In Fatima, we see a woman we emotionally connect with and whom we believe is due for some happiness and love . . . but who does not inspire the necessary feelings in <i>men</i>. <br /><br />Re: Lolo Jones<br /><i> there were lots of men saying she would really fnd it difficult to find a mate.</i> <br /><br />Is she religious, too? Maybe someone can set her up with Tim Tebow. ;) <br /><br />But I do see where the men are coming from. If a woman gets to a certain age without losing her virginity (even if she might have wanted to lose it), then holding on to it can become more of an "endurance test" . . . the same challenge to "go the distance" that I brought up in the "Manhaters" thread. And then she will only want a man who will also "go the distance" with her . . . preferably one who already <i>has</i> gone some "distance" on his own. He'd be hard to find, though, especially in this age when it is not advisable for a man to give a woman anything on "credit," but when a man should wait and see whether she is worth it at all. Lolo may be looking for a man with credit. <br /><br />(But as you said, this is all theoretical. We don't know for certain what her non-negotiables are. . . . Or do we???)Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-18358624542330184262012-08-10T02:51:32.418-07:002012-08-10T02:51:32.418-07:00ST-
uh. yeah. she's been on my radar since 20...ST-<br /><br />uh. yeah. she's been on my radar since 2008. she's my future ex-wife, i kept sending her letter's and she finally wrote back. i know she's down because the letter looked real official and made mention of 100 yards distance...i dunno. whatever. <br /><br />point is, she FINALLY responded. she's practically said "i do."dannyfrom504http://dannyfrom504.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-50551229281844464082012-08-10T01:23:36.920-07:002012-08-10T01:23:36.920-07:00@ Bob,
"As for women boxers -- my God!"...@ Bob,<br /><br /><i> "As for women boxers -- my God!" </i> <br /><br />I have a present for you too. You're welcome ;)<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186314/What-girl-But-doesnt-feel-quite-right-watching-women-beat-seven-bells-baying-mob-boozy-men.html<br /><br />This commenter has a point:<br /><i> "What a girl! But it doesn't feel quite right watching women beat seven bells out of each other for a baying mob of boozy men=====Happens every weekend in most English towns." </i> <br /><br />You don't need an Olympic boxing ring to experience female 'boxing' these days. Danny had a post about that not so long ago.<br />At least these women are doing it for Olympic glory...<br />There is some sort of funny nobility in that...Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-31836205332388432472012-08-10T01:01:38.392-07:002012-08-10T01:01:38.392-07:00Danny,
You are nothing if not consistent!
I sudde...Danny,<br /><br />You are nothing if not consistent!<br />I suddenly realised that Leryn Franco is very much your 'type'! The dark hair, Latina appearance, and... no six-pack!<br />No wonder you commented the way you did earlier ;)<br /><br />Well, look what I found for you, Your Maj!<br />Here's your 'treat of the day'. An article all about Leryn Franco.<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2179950/Meet-Leryn-Franco-Paraguays-Olympic-javelin-hopeful-stunning-bikini-model.html<br /><br />And in keeping with our current theme, Bell, this is a comment I picked up from one of the many comments on this article. From 'Jamie in Manchester'.<br /><br /><i>"whoaa she is beautiful!! but i don't think pretty girl like her should be doing this competition because anything can go wrong and she get injured. She should only do modelling because she wil mak more money and javelin only for non good looking girls." </i> <br /><br />Hahahahahaha! So let's get this straight: Leryn Franco is too beautiful for javelin-throwing. Javelin-throwing should only be done by ugly girls!<br /><br />Beauty can definitely get you everywhere in this life lol. I don't think ANY man reacted this way to Fatima Whitbread...unless I am grossly mistaken.Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-6221791998635510732012-08-10T00:42:27.726-07:002012-08-10T00:42:27.726-07:00Bellita,
Yes I really respect Fatima Whitbread a ...Bellita,<br /><br />Yes I really respect Fatima Whitbread a lot too. If you read her life-story, you will have seen that she had a particularly hard life...being abandoned by her (Turkish) mother for one and then other horrible things that happened to her as a young girl...<br /><br />She is a survivor, and for that reason alone she gets my utmost respect.<br />But yes, the masculine appearance must have been such a turnoff for men. Her husband must be an extraordinary man, is all I can say. Yes I know she took part in 'I'm a celebrity'. There is a promoional photo of her (for the show) where she is wearing a cowboy hat. She looks so manly there it is downright scary.<br /><br /><i> "...if she had suddenly screamed and acted a bit more scared and helpless, would it have jolted them into "knightly" action for a "damsel in distress"?" </i> <br /><br />I doubt it, Bell. Looking like she does, my guess is, they would have treated her like a gay or effeminate man would be treated - with scorn. I think that <i>knowing </i> she is a woman is not an automatic ticket for her to be treated like a woman - she has to <i> look </i> like a woman to get that treatment, for the simple reason that men are visual...<br />But I could be wrong on this...<br />Could the gentlemen here please explain why I might be correct or wrong as the case may be?<br /><br />(By the way, I think <i> I </i> would treat Fatima as I would any other woman, because for me, knowing that she is a woman is enough, even if she doesn't look like one. Because I am not visual. If, like that woman you mention in 'Junior', I saw a pregnant Fatima Whitbread, I would do everything I could to make things easier for her, call her 'beautiful', etc. A man might just see a pregnant Fatima Whitbread as a 'freak show'...)<br /><br />The other (important) thing to consider is that certain actions really need to look 'genuine' to be believed. If Fatima Whitbread screamed like a little girl at the sight of a bug, I am not sure anyone would believe for one second that this was a genuine thing. If <i> you </i> did that, Bell, it really would be believable lol. To give another example if you and Fatima were both broken down on the motorway because you each had a flat tire or something, I am pretty sure men would stop to help you, but when they see her they would drive on, thinking, 'well, why can't she fix her own darn tire, she looks like she might be capable.' And if you were 'feminist-minded', you might be offended at the idea that you would be deemed incapable of fixing your own tire, but since I know you don't have such silly ideas, I could use this example...<br /><br /><i> "I wonder how hypergamy would work for most of these women." </i> <br /><br />I remember when Lolo Jones 'came out' as a virgin (hahahahaha! I make virginity sound like homosexuality...sorry, not intended like this!) there were lots of men saying she would really fnd it difficult to find a mate. I was surprised at this, because I thought it was to her advantage that she was a chaste woman, she was fit, toned, haelthy, etc. I thought, 'what's the downside to Lolo Jones'?<br />Then someone explained... She was simply too 'high value' and 'out of reach' to most men. But worse, her own hypergamy instincts would be her own worst enemy. Being a top athlete meant that her hypergamy would dictate she choose the highest-ranked athletic male. Being a virgin might dictate she pick a man with the lowest 'number' that she can find. The two are often mutually exclusive!<br /><br />However, this stuff is all theoretical. Lolo Jones could end up marrying a man twice-divorced with a paunch the size of new York and a history of a thousand-strong soft harem.<br />Life can be funny sometimes, no?Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-8385528743744315742012-08-09T15:53:19.191-07:002012-08-09T15:53:19.191-07:00@JV
I wonder how hypergamy would work for most of...@JV <br /><i>I wonder how hypergamy would work for most of these women.</i> <br /><br />It would be interesting to do a full study . . . <br /><br />So far, we know that Victoria Pendleton is engaged to her coach . . . and after the Olympics, Fatima Whitbread married one of the most influential men in British sport. <br /><br />I remember Susan Walsh referencing the Olympics in a recent HUS thread. She quoted a female athlete whose stunned reaction at suddenly being surrounded by thousands of other single-minded Olympians was, "Why did I get married?" :S I presume the implications were that she wished she were free to date one of the men there . . . and that her husband wasn't that sort of man.Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-70605761553043063452012-08-09T15:50:04.871-07:002012-08-09T15:50:04.871-07:00I had been wondering why Fatima Whitbread's na...I had been wondering why Fatima Whitbread's name sounded familiar when I could have sworn I had never seen her before . . . so I googled some recent photos and recognized her instantly . . . as a contestant on the Reality competition <i>I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here</i>! Hahahaha! <br /><br />The show was the first time I had seen her, and I'm afraid I also thought she was a man for a while. :( After I saw she was a woman, my first thought was that she had worked out and tanned too much--but I thought she had done it to be "hotter." I hadn't known she was an Olympian and that the working out had had a real purpose. <br /><br />You might be interested in how she fared on the show, ST . . . In one challenge, she went head-to-head against (<i>Ahem!</i>) a member of McFly. I remember it vividly because it involved crawling through a maze full of reptiles, amphibians and big bugs! I was completely impressed that both she and her male competitor were completely unfazed by creatures that would have sent me screaming for mercy! :O Oh, in case you were wondering . . . Fatima won that challenge. ;)<br /><br />I actually respect her a <i>lot</i>, BUT I can see why more than her very muscular body and short hair might put men off. There was another challenge in which she had to wear a special helmet that was filled up with cockroaches . . . and a cockroach crawled up her nose!!! She actually stood still for the entire thirty seconds, never letting on that it had happened until she had won the challenge, and then told everyone her problem. There were three other men around her (her competitor and the two hosts) and they just stood around looking a little sick as one of the emergency medical personnel flushed water up her nose so that she could spit the cockroach out of her mouth. I just laughed back then (not at Fatima, but at the men!) . . . but now I wonder . . . if she had suddenly screamed and acted a bit more scared and helpless, would it have jolted them into "knightly" action for a "damsel in distress"?Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-64859685810205472412012-08-09T11:22:39.114-07:002012-08-09T11:22:39.114-07:00I wonder how hypergamy would work for most of thes...I wonder how hypergamy would work for most of these women. I'm not sure that they'd have a lot of time to date as it is. And if your team is full of girls, you'd be even more isolated. I'm curious if romances are struck up with men from different teams. (Y'know, striking up converstions while you wait for your event).just visitingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-64433691267593390142012-08-09T11:10:16.212-07:002012-08-09T11:10:16.212-07:00Oh, so in other words, she's typical of an Ame...Oh, so in other words, she's typical of an American girl... I can see the turnoff.Ceernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-60939010744685322102012-08-09T11:08:37.990-07:002012-08-09T11:08:37.990-07:00@ Carnivore and ST
Their poor legs!@ Carnivore and ST<br /><br />Their poor legs!just visiting.noreply@blogger.com