tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post954433452928667870..comments2023-11-02T08:41:44.231-07:00Comments on The Sanctuary: La Isla BonitaSpacetravellerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-35584002910155269652012-06-05T15:46:18.544-07:002012-06-05T15:46:18.544-07:00@ST
It takes one to know one! :-)
"Sadly, t...@ST<br /><br />It takes one to know one! :-)<br /><br /><i>"Sadly, this is not the case. As you know, Catholics are not exactly known for 'bible-bashing'."</i><br /><br />TRUE!! :-) I am willing to bet you that protestants can recite bible in the middle of the night! :-)metaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-32952798843669705362012-06-05T15:10:03.088-07:002012-06-05T15:10:03.088-07:00@ Metak,
"I noticed your tendency to exagge...@ Metak,<br /><br /><i> "I noticed your tendency to exaggerate...</i> <br /><br />I only exaggerate to make specific points. But I hope I don't dwell on the exaggerated point nor labour the point ad nauseum ;)<br /><br /><i> "...reading Bible too much? :-)"</i> <br /><br />Sadly, this is not the case. As you know, Catholics are not exactly known for 'bible-bashing'.<br />I wish I were though. Hahahaha!<br /><br /><i> "Stay away from the extremes...they've little or nothing to do with 'real life'. :-)" </i> <br />Generally good advice, yes. I would normally agree with you.<br />But I find that my 'extremism' has been somewhat beneficial for me so far. It's like a comfort blanket for a small child.<br />I like it.<br /><br />Moreover, I am willing to bet that you are as much an 'extremist' as I am :)Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-55747888114265015402012-06-05T13:27:34.283-07:002012-06-05T13:27:34.283-07:00@ST
Come to the dark side, we have cookies. :-)
...@ST<br /><br />Come to the dark side, we have cookies. :-)<br /><br /><i>"There is something quite liberating about the extreme..."</i><br /><br />I noticed your tendency to exaggerate... reading Bible too much? :-)<br /><br />Stay away from the extremes...they've little or nothing to do with 'real life'. :-)metaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-35637554718133597942012-06-05T10:56:41.932-07:002012-06-05T10:56:41.932-07:00Metak,
"Man doesn't demand respect (may...Metak,<br /><br /><i> "Man doesn't demand respect (maybe he should..?) at least not in the beginning when he's dealing with women because he thinks she has the same idea about respect and honor..." </i> <br /><br />I concede that this is a highly plausible scenario.<br /><br /><br /><i> "You should change your name from Spacetraveller to EXTREMEspacetraveller.. :-)" </i> <br /><br />There is something quite liberating about the extreme...<br />I like to flirt with the edge of reason, at least in my thoughts. Not necessarily in real life lol...although I think I occasionally do cross the line :-)Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-80799208119171197812012-06-05T09:39:38.014-07:002012-06-05T09:39:38.014-07:00@ST
You should change your name from Spacetravell...@ST<br /><br />You should change your name from Spacetraveller to EXTREMEspacetraveller.. :-)<br /><br /><i>"And on the other hand we have men who are so bent on the idea of 'earning respect' and 'honour' that they feel they are not good enough for anything or anyone until they have killed Medusa with their bare hands"</i><br /><br />To clarify: Man doesn't demand respect (maybe he should..?) at least not in the beginning when he's dealing with women because he thinks she has the same idea about respect and honor... he quickly finds out that's not the case... with your deeds you show if you deserve to be respected... foolish men thinking that you have to have some character and humility when dealing with others. Maybe we need a parade like a crazy feminists... I DEMAND RESPECT! :-)metaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-53456963477926653032012-06-05T07:46:12.708-07:002012-06-05T07:46:12.708-07:00@ Metak,
"I've seen this kind of behavi...@ Metak,<br /><br /><i> "I've seen this kind of behavior only in women... only DEMANDING! :-)<br />A man would be embarrassed to demand respect if he didn't earned it..."</i> <br /><br />Excellent observation, Metak...<br />So here we have two extremes.<br />On the one hand women who demand too much without expecting to earn it. (Note I don't think this is strictly true, but for the sake of argument let's roll with this theory).<br />And on the other hand we have men who are so bent on the idea of 'earning respect' and 'honour' that they feel they are not good enough for anything or anyone until they have killed Medusa with their bare hands - to borrow a fittingly extreme plot from Greek mythology - and kill their own confidence as a result...<br />(Again I don't think this is the whole story, but as before, let's roll with this...)<br /><br />Each party could teach the other a thing or two then...<br /><br />Or perhaps these extremes of the spectrum should step aside and make way for those with normal boundaries to progress in the SMP :-)Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-28165651362600188202012-06-05T05:22:23.977-07:002012-06-05T05:22:23.977-07:00@Bellita
"What we mean is that there's a...@Bellita<br /><br /><i>"What we mean is that there's a difference between an incentive and a unicorn."</i><br /><br />I know what you meant... I just don't get why some men keep saying to these "modern women": "Go back to kitchen! :-)". It became an insult... :-)<br /><br />p.s. Unicorn is woman's perfect mythological creature... White horse and you don't even need a prince charming on him because it has huge dildo on his forehead... :-)metaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-37584069194894905442012-06-05T04:52:13.988-07:002012-06-05T04:52:13.988-07:00@Metak
There's little or no incentive for MEn...@Metak <br /><i>There's little or no incentive for MEn... :-)</i> <br /><br />What we mean is that there's a difference between an incentive and a unicorn.Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-33723998607976433122012-06-05T04:17:14.630-07:002012-06-05T04:17:14.630-07:00@Bellita
"As for laundry lists, reading vari...@Bellita<br /><br /><i>"As for laundry lists, reading various blogs, sounds like the men have some very high standards for commitment.<br /><br />Yes, they do! The pendulum has swung very far in the other direction. It would have been fascinating to see how this works out."</i><br /><br />At least those in western world have to have... Even those traits that were taken for granted previously like cooking, washing clothes,... are not provided by women for their husbands any more. I wrote earlier how more and more women don't know how to cook pretty much anything and you have all the home appliances for washing/drying clothes, cleaning,...<br />What would this new modern woman bring to MEn? (we can scratch feminine beauty because MEn brings his masculine so it evens out...) There's little or no incentive for MEn... :-)<br />I'm not talking about exceptions here, just generalizing...<br /><br /><br />@ST<br /><br />I've seen this kind of behavior only in women... only DEMANDING! :-)<br />A man would be embarrassed to demand respect if he didn't earned it...metaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-39602597629085463772012-06-05T03:14:55.883-07:002012-06-05T03:14:55.883-07:00Ah, that's better Bell.
That's much better...Ah, that's better Bell.<br />That's much better.<br />:-)Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-38461724271750911112012-06-04T17:38:54.196-07:002012-06-04T17:38:54.196-07:00@ST
It was a very deliberate use of tense, but pe...@ST <br />It was a very deliberate use of tense, but perhaps not the best verb! <br /><br />I meant: "It would have been fascinating <i>to blog</i> about how this works out!" <br /><br />So don't panic! :)Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-21793243774343199472012-06-04T17:19:38.099-07:002012-06-04T17:19:38.099-07:00@ PVW,
"Now, all these years later, he is w...@ PVW,<br /><br /><i> "Now, all these years later, he is wondering how it all happened..." </i> <br /><br />Hahahaha!<br />Another one bites the dust, so to speak!<br /><br />My Grandpa always joked that he has no idea how he got to be married to my Grandma. It seems like one day he woke up and he was married to her and he has no recollection of how he got there. Always makes me laugh.<br />I figured the only way I could reproduce this scenario in my own life is if I actally used a potent sedative on a man :-)<br />Unless I learn the 'skills' my Grandma used...<br /><br />@ Metak,<br /><br />GREAT word play! Amazing that you are not a native anglophone and you can still come up with stuff like this :-)<br /><br />Bell,<br /><br /><i> "Yes, they do! The pendulum has swung very far in the other direction." </i> <br /><br />Where is CD when we need her? She has to be the world expert on men's laundry lists :-)<br /><br /><i> "It would have been fascinating to see how this works out." </i> <br /><br />Bell, why does your strange use of tense here alarm me?Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-25650799247306388842012-06-04T16:23:16.066-07:002012-06-04T16:23:16.066-07:00@JV
As for laundry lists, reading various blogs, ...@JV <br /><i>As for laundry lists, reading various blogs, sounds like the men have some very high standards for commitment. </i> <br /><br />Yes, they do! The pendulum has swung very far in the other direction. It would have been fascinating to see how this works out.Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-49327366094326707542012-06-04T16:13:12.854-07:002012-06-04T16:13:12.854-07:00Spacetraveller said...
Hahahahah, PVW,
You will s...Spacetraveller said...<br />Hahahahah, PVW,<br /><br />You will soon convert me to The Episcopalian Church at this rate!<br /><br />I shall need Bellita to pull me back from the edge though, back safely into the arms of our beloved Catholicism ;)<br /><br />Joking aside, you do a great job of putting your point across in a convincing way!<br />Wish I had that gift.<br />I am jealous :-)<br /><br />PVW replies:<br /><br />You're welcome to join us in my beloved Episcopal Church, or not at all! <br /><br />Thanks for the compliment, though. <br /><br />It really comes down to the it that the Protestant notion of "the priesthood of believers" has allows us to think about what being persons of faith means to us as individuals, to think and talk in community about one's faith and sense of call--where the gifts of spirit are easily apparent. <br /><br />I find that teaching is where it works well for me: church history, theology, catechism, the prayer book. That is what I bring to our community, and it has been really useful at this point in time, as we are preparing to call a new priest. <br /><br />We did phone interviews with several and are now visiting a few of them in order to get a sense of how they do liturgy and preach. We are meeting with them informally for conversation. <br /><br />What are their personalities like? Their ministries? Do those coincide with ours? <br /><br />Everyone is involved, not just the adults. The chair of the search committee asked the children what they would want the new priest to be like? Male? Female? Young? Older? Married? Single? They just said s/he should be "fun," so we are looking for someone who does a great children's liturgy. <br /><br />The work we have done in adult education has really firmed up our parishioners' sense of their identity as Episcopalians, so they feel comfortable interviewing and chatting with our candidates.<br /><br />Metak:<br /><br />Women and religion... the moment when men finds God and begs: "Can't I just have a women, please? I'll even give money to local church..." :-)<br /><br />My reply:<br /><br />You joke, but there is something in what you say...As I think about it, a fair number of the men in the parish are there because their girlfriends/wives (and their families) dragged them along.<br /><br />In one case, she wasn't a church goer, but her mom was a member of the parish. When they got engaged, she insisted they had to get married in a church, so they chose her mom's. <br /><br />Then it became, "well, we can't just go to get married, we have to contribute in some way...now we have children, we can't have them grow up with no faith, no baptism, nothing..." <br /><br />Now, all these years later, he is wondering how it all happened, he is sitting on the vestry with the wife, PVW got them both prepared for confirmation, the children are in Sunday school, etc., etc.<br /><br />Big grin.... ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-70067847499276356612012-06-04T15:45:06.612-07:002012-06-04T15:45:06.612-07:00@ Bellita
True.
And be prepared to run and duck...@ Bellita<br /><br />True. <br /><br />And be prepared to run and duck if a woman brings up romance. Very touchy subject in the manosphere. Which is one aspect of red pill that I just can't square with my personality. I'm not sure if I could fall in love with out it.<br /><br />Considering my need to court and be courted, and that aloof indifference cools down my attraction and attention ramps it up, I'm in trouble. Lol.<br /><br />As for laundry lists, reading various blogs, sounds like the men have some very high standards for commitment. <br /><br />Though, in real life application, the ideal usually makes room for the realistic. Love is funny that way.just visitingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-73897394369847475792012-06-04T15:06:56.846-07:002012-06-04T15:06:56.846-07:00@PVW
"Well, nothing too wierd or "funny...@PVW<br /><br /><i>"Well, nothing too wierd or "funny" here, ie., my comments here are not meant to be overly indiscreet or immodest!"</i><br /><br />It's too late for me I'm afraid... after that day my brain made permanent connection: protestant = crazy lady at the marketplace = big smile on my face :-)<br /><br />@ST<br /><br /><i>"Joking aside, you do a great job of putting your point across in a convincing way!"</i><br />Women and religion... the moment when men finds God and begs: "Can't I just have a women, please? I'll even give money to local church..." :-)<br /><br />p.s. A debate between CAT-HOLIC (cat - addict) and a PRO-TESTANT (in favor of - a very dirty slut with weird fetishes such as gimp suits). You got to love English language sometimes... :-)metaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-53883323273131240522012-06-04T14:54:21.087-07:002012-06-04T14:54:21.087-07:00By the way, if you are referring to what I think y...<i>By the way, if you are referring to what I think you are referring to, you know you are wrong about that, right?</i> <br /><br />If <i>you</i> are referring to what I <i>think</i> you're referring to . . . it's probably not <i>that</i>. =P <br /><br />But when I started blogging last year, it seemed that any woman who had a list of qualities she'd like in a future mate (however short and however reasonable) would have the "Laundry List" and "What Do You Bring to the Table?" boulders hurled at her by the Manosphere catapults. And those are just two from their ever-replenishing arsenal!Bellitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-87945271252181407392012-06-04T13:58:27.191-07:002012-06-04T13:58:27.191-07:00Hahahahah, PVW,
You will soon convert me to The E...Hahahahah, PVW,<br /><br />You will soon convert me to The Episcopalian Church at this rate!<br /><br />I shall need Bellita to pull me back from the edge though, back safely into the arms of our beloved Catholicism ;)<br /><br />Joking aside, you do a great job of putting your point across in a convincing way!<br />Wish I had that gift.<br />I am jealous :-)Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-83249309449360127852012-06-04T13:13:28.365-07:002012-06-04T13:13:28.365-07:00Metak:
@PVW
"In any event, I'm a mainli...Metak:<br /><br />@PVW<br /><br />"In any event, I'm a mainline Protestant heretic (smile); we tend to read those differently!"<br /><br />You reminded me of a Protestant woman I met at the marketplace... :-) talking about funny (weird kinda of funny :-) )... I got so many funny stories, just by talking to her, to keep my grandchildren entertained for years... :-)<br /><br />PVW's reply:<br /><br />Well, nothing too wierd or "funny" here, ie., my comments here are not meant to be overly indiscreet or immodest!<br /><br /> Spacetraveller said...<br />@ PVW,<br /><br />"In any event, I'm a mainline Protestant heretic (smile); we tend to read those differently!"<br /><br />Somehow, this Catholic extremist approves (grudgingly lol) of your way of seeing things :-)<br />(How did you manage to get me to tone down my 'quasi-fascist' views like this? I am usually very stubborn...<br />Maybe I recognise that your way is superior to mine in some way?<br />I accept defeat - graciously I hope :-)<br /><br /><br />PVW replies:<br /><br />Ah, now that is interesting! I'm noticing something in what you have said, ie., in coversations in real life with people who are at that end of the spectrum with you, Catholic extremist, that they do see value in some Protestant ways of looking at things.<br /><br />Is it because intellectually, they know that they have some criticisms of their ways of seeing things, or that they have criticisms they didn't realize they had until we got to chatting?<br /><br />That is how it all began for me, I have always been interested in thinking, assessing and critiquing, rather than following "just because that is the way they say it is..." <br /><br />Unfortunately, I had a lot of that in my Catholic upbringing, and it is all theologically based--"the magisterium says so, we just follow." But as a Protestant (within the Anglican tradition), my theological basis is different: scripture, tradition and reason. <br /><br />Numbers of former Catholics in my Sunday school classes appreciate that aspect of our new tradition.<br /><br />We're encouraged to start from the basics and go from there, to think and assess...It fits me more and my intellectual bent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-76878542758703304132012-06-04T10:39:25.277-07:002012-06-04T10:39:25.277-07:00@ PVW,
"In any event, I'm a mainline Pr...@ PVW,<br /><br /><i> "In any event, I'm a mainline Protestant heretic (smile); we tend to read those differently!"<br /></i> <br />Somehow, <i> this </i> Catholic extremist approves (grudgingly lol) of your way of seeing things :-)<br />(How did you manage to get me to tone down my 'quasi-fascist' views like this? I am usually very stubborn...<br />Maybe I recognise that your way is superior to mine in some way?<br />I accept defeat - graciously I hope :-)<br /><br /><br />@ Metak,<br /><br /><i> "I was thinking more like first surrendering to yourself "accepting and expressing your God given uniqueness" and secondly if you find someone that is attracted to and appreciates your expression than you can both "surrender" and just enjoy without anyone being the hostage." </i> <br /><br />Well, now that you have explained it in a way that I understand, I see your point.<br /><br /><i> "Well English is my third language..." </i> <br /><br />I applaud you. Your English is impeccable. <br /><br />@ JV,<br /><br /><i> "The English language needs to create some words that convey a better sense of feeling or action involved." </i> <br /><br />I know what you mean! I guess no one language has it within it to fully express the full range of human experiences...which is why I am so grateful to be multilingual. If one language does not serve my needs I simply go to another to search for the word I want. It helps tremendously.Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-80990430437645533482012-06-04T09:52:29.792-07:002012-06-04T09:52:29.792-07:00@PVW
"In any event, I'm a mainline Prote...@PVW<br /><br /><i>"In any event, I'm a mainline Protestant heretic (smile); we tend to read those differently!"</i><br /><br />You reminded me of a Protestant woman I met at the marketplace... :-) talking about funny (weird kinda of funny :-) )... I got so many funny stories, just by talking to her, to keep my grandchildren entertained for years... :-)<br /><br />btw: she believed sex is to be only used for procreation but she was selling a book from one of my favorite writers (Mantak Chia) Multi-orgasmic man. hahahha :-)metaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-33324190036074458762012-06-04T09:39:12.435-07:002012-06-04T09:39:12.435-07:00@ST
Forgive me, but I find 'surrender' wo...@ST<br /><br /><i>Forgive me, but I find 'surrender' worse than 'submit'!<br />'Surrender' has connotations of a war situation, like one is just about to be taken hostage :-)</i><br /><br />You might take it "war style :-)" but that's your choice if you decide to take it that way... :-)<br />I was thinking more like first surrendering to yourself "accepting and expressing your God given uniqueness" and secondly if you find someone that is attracted to and appreciates your expression than you can both "surrender" and just enjoy without anyone being the hostage. In this context surrendering to your true self cannot be seen as a bad thing...<br /><br />Chris Sabian from "The Negotiator" would be so proud of me right now... :-)<br /><br /><br />@JV<br /><br />Well English is my third language and I don't get to many opportunities to sharpen my skills so my vocabulary is pretty limited...metaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-23373250689258586012012-06-04T09:28:52.466-07:002012-06-04T09:28:52.466-07:00Metak:
"As for him being a man I can "l...Metak:<br /><br />"As for him being a man I can "let myself go" with freely, (ie., I'm his with no exceptions, sexually and otherwise) this came about through him proving himself to me as being a man worthy of that trust."<br /><br />Funny thing though, as much as it arouses a man to know that his wife has such a trust/respect for him, he gets a great motivation to be a better husband/father and to not abuse that given trust...<br /><br />PVW replies:<br /><br />You got it exactly! <br /><br />Spacetraveller said...<br /><br />"It is funny, but we don't even use the language of submission in our marriage." <br /><br />I guess things like this are never verbalised lol...<br /><br />PVW replies:<br /><br />It seems to me that those who make "submission" enough of an issue to verbalize it are those conservative men and women who are overly sensitive to what they see as the source of the problems we face in modern day society (ie., those EEVILL feminists). <br /><br />As for conservative Christians, they are biblical literalists and so they read those specific biblical passages (passages in Paul and in other places) in light of female submission. That for them is thus the appropriate model for marital accord and upright Christian living.<br /><br />In any event, I'm a mainline Protestant heretic (smile); we tend to read those differently!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-68727800958193503182012-06-04T08:37:56.306-07:002012-06-04T08:37:56.306-07:00@ Metak
Hahahahaha. I know exactly what you mea...@ Metak<br /><br /><br /> Hahahahaha. I know exactly what you mean, but whether using the words surrender or dominance and submission, the words sound so BDSM. The English language needs to create some words that convey a better sense of feeling or action involved. It's been commented on by a few others in the sphere that the wording just seems too harsh, but we're lacking a vocabulary for the subtler shadings.just visitingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312159882790612546.post-47744164620646108592012-06-04T08:24:03.421-07:002012-06-04T08:24:03.421-07:00@ PVW,
"It is funny, but we don't even ...@ PVW,<br /><br /><i> "It is funny, but we don't even use the language of submission in our marriage." </i> <br /><br />I guess things like this are never verbalised lol...<br /><br />'Amen' to everything you said.<br />And long may your beautiful marriage last!<br /><br />@ Metak,<br /><br /><i> "Surrender would be better instead of submit i believe..."</i> <br /><br />Forgive me, but I find 'surrender' worse than 'submit'!<br />'Surrender' has connotations of a war situation, like one is just about to be taken hostage :-)<br />Which is probably a good way to view marriage anyway.<br />Hahahahaha!<br /><br /><i> "Funny thing though, as much as it arouses a man to know that his wife has such a trust/respect for him, he gets a great motivation to be a better husband/father and to not abuse that given trust..." </i> <br /><br />I like to believe this too.<br />Hope you are right about this.Spacetravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202131232540121117noreply@blogger.com