Showing posts with label traditional-minded. Show all posts
Showing posts with label traditional-minded. Show all posts

Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Countrygirl or Citychick?

OK, so you all saw this coming...

It is only fair to extend this debate to the ladies :-)
When I asked if country men were more 'masculine' than city guys, I was more willing to listen to the opinions of ladies than men for obvious reasons.
Now it's the gentlemen's turn to sit back and do the appraising.
Ladies are still welcome to give their opinion, but I am going to give the men a higher priority here :-)

I think this post will be more difficult to write. Maybe because I am a woman myself and I therefore find it hard to be completely objective about women they way I know I can about men.
But I shall try my best.

And this time, the question is not 'who is more feminine' but 'what do you think of these two women'?
At the risk of displeasing women everywhere in my attempt to generalise, here goes:
*deep breath*

As I did for the men, assume both types of women described here are of the same level of attraction and a similar age, let's just say, mid twenties.
Both have at least a high school education and both are happy where they are in terms of locality.

Rural Maiden

This woman is likely to be traditional-minded in the sense that she wants to be married before long. She probably got baby-cravings since her mid-teens. Life would not make sense to her unless she is someone's daughter, wife and mother, in that order.
She may well have dated a few men, and would most likely have tried to get each and everyone of them to commit to her in the past.
She will feel a true failure if she is not only married but also a mother by age 30.
It is perhaps an untenable thought that she will be single forever like her 45-year old auntie who lives in the city.
She is perhaps more likely to be 'modest or a 'semi-modest', at least in dress and general behaviour, but not necessarily more 'moral'. Her small community dictates that whatever she does is under scrutiny whether she likes it or not.
However, more often than not, she likes the constraints put on her by her society.
Paradoxically she could also be amazingly free-spirited. She is more likely than her city counterpart to be free of a 'herd'. She may have one or two best friends, but that's it. She wouldn't be part of a thirty-strong coach-load of partying singles.
She doessn't have the time for that.
She may have a job that is practical and very much at the heart of the community she serves.
She is not folding her hands in her lap and doing nothing, that's for sure.
If she is not doing something that pays well, she is at least helping out, volunteering in something.
Because her community does not allow slackers.
The drawback to this woman is that she may be in danger of expecting "too much" of a man.
She may indeed bring lots to the table, but that means she also expects a lot.
She may or may not want a traditional man. The irony is that because she is traditional, she would be willing to go with the flow with the man she chooses, whether or not he is traditional-minded, like her.
But she may do best with someone exactly like her.
She is 'feminine'. Just as much as her brother 'Hillbilly' is intrinsically 'masculine', in some intangible, raw, 'natural' manner.
She doesn't know of any other way to be a woman.
At college, she was amused at how aggressive some of her classmates were.
She dismissed it as some sort of 'city' thing.
She wouldn't believe it if you explained to her that that is actually the reality of some women's lives.
Rural maiden has a lot of problems, but none of her problems include being a non-feminine woman.
She lives too close to Nature to deviate from her natural instincts.



Urban Lass

This woman who is city-born and bred is, like her male counterpart, slightly more complicated than Rural Maiden.
For a start she is more prone to be far removed from her family than Rural Maiden.
She may be living alone.
She may be a 'career gal' or not. But if she is, she is not necessarily a feminist.
She has to eat, right?
She has to live somewhere.
She may or may not be a rich Daddy's girl.

Urban Lass is exposed to more people in general than Rural Maiden. She may however be far removed from 'man-oasis' unlike Cityboy who is often surrounded by women.
Urban Lass is actually more likely than Rural Maiden to be surrounded by a herd of women, and despite being in the midst of many people, be severely short of 'suitable' men to pick from.
She is undoubtedly more 'busy' than Rural Maiden.
She has more work, more leisure activities and more pressures on her.
Such is urban life in general.
In addition, she may also create this illusion, intentionally or unintentionally, because 'the herd' creates a competitive streak in her.
Urban Lass is more likely to have been partnered up by a certain age than Rural Maiden, although not necessarily married before Rural Maiden.
Urban Lass has to be more savvy than Rural Maiden just to survive. In this sense, she is much more useful as a 'co-captain' for a marriage-minded man. However, this may count against her, because of the inevitable 'strong and independent' label she acquires unwittingly or otherwise. She may have many more 'life skills' than Rural Maiden, some of which may not be obvious to a man. She may be perfectly able to cook and clean but her decidedly 'party lifestyle' may give a different impression. Her budgeting skills may be hidden by the fact that she earns more than Rural Maiden.
Is Citygirl ever as feminine as Rural Maiden?
In my opinion, generally, yes. At least outwardly so. I am willing to bet perhaps even more so than Rural Maiden.
But there is something about city life that tampers with her a little.
Rural Maiden is not afflicted by this particular problem.

Urban Lass has many tools at her disposal to make her life truly exciting.
Those same tools can also ruin her life.
Like her brother Cityboy, she leads a complicated existence.


Who is more appealing to men?
Who is the better prospect for marriage in a man's eyes?
Who is likely to get married first?
Who is likely to stay married?

If you get the sense that these are all trick questions, you would be right :-)

But only in the sense that we all recognise that everyone is right. It is afterall, a question of preference.
If at all possible, please self-identify as city man/woman or rural man/woman when commenting so it would be possible to see what the trends are in terms of 'like begets like' and all that...


Again, I don't really know what I am talking about in this post. I have been both a citygirl and a rural maiden but at very different epoques in my life, so I am not a reliable 'control subject' for myself.

But I am fascinated by how much one's environment affects one's self-perception and that of others.
Enlighten me.
Pretty please.


Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Hillbilly or Cityboy?

I had never thought about this before.
But then I had a dialogue with a member* of this little community of The Sanctuary and he said something which became a true 'aha' moment for me.

Who is more 'masculine'? The rural man or the urban guy?
I can't believe I never considered this before!

But now that I have reflected on this, I see how important this factor is.

Gentlemen, the floor is yours of course.
Your input will be highly appreciated.

But I suspect it is the ladies' opinion on this that would appeal to my curiosity on this the most, because they are the ones deciding what is masculine to them.
Same as you get to decide who is more feminine or not among women :-)

I shall not give my own verdict. At least not yet :-)
I shall try to stay neutral as much as possible in this post.
If you think you spot a bias, it is not intended.
If however you see a generalisation or exaggeration, that is intended, to make a point :-)

Here's how I see Mr Peasant as compared to Mr Cityslicker as concerns the SMP. Let's assume both have  a similar level of education and income. And they are both happy where they are.
Correct me if I am wrong about anything.


Mr Peasant

This man is surrounded by Nature. In many ways he has no choice. Rural is Nature.
The question is, why is he in a rural area?
Was he a cityslicker who went back to his roots, or did he never leave the countryside having been brought up there?

Does the reason for being in the country change his level of masculinity? I don't know.
For the purposes of this post however, let's assume he was born and bred in the country.
Let's assume he is a farmer.

He is a traditional man. He perhaps rises with the sun and goes to sleep as soon as it gets dark.
He may have a traditional model in mind when it comes to wife and family.
He perhaps had a few girlfriends in his time, but I am guessing not many?
He is matter-of-fact and logical.
He needs a wife who can cook, clean and milk a cow.
More than Mr Cityslicker, he really needs a wife.
He is less likely to be a MGHOW.
Paradoxically, he may end up as one involuntarily because the kind of woman he is looking for is becoming rare even in rural areas.

He is usually physically fit.
At least when he is young.
Because of his work, or his hobbies.
He can afford to spend long hours quietly by himself.
He can identify every tree, every bird, every fish in the river.
He knows how Nature works.
He sees himself as part of a wider picture - Nature's picture.

His job is physically stressful and often lonely.
Occasionally he is dealt a psychological blow, like when a vet detects 'mad cow disease' in one of his flock.

Could he be a Red Pill Man?
The irony is, this man knows no other way.
He has never seen a Blue Pill in his life.
(No sniggering at the back, please).

He may not have encountered The Manosphere because he does not spend time online. But chances are, he figured out how life works long before he was out of diapers.
Because life really is simple, to this man's mind.
Men are men, and women are women.
He really does not know any other way.
He sees it in his cows and bulls.
Why not in humans?
He really is that logical.


Mr Cityslicker

This man lives right in the middle of the city and loves the buzz of city life.
He also likes the abundance of women here.
He is not short of female company.
But he is not about to settle down anytime soon.
Unlike his rural brother, perhaps he is less into the whole Nature thing.
Although he may also be physically fit because he goes to the gym religiously.

He may also be 'traditional' but Mr Cityslicker has a funny way of showing it :-)
His natural habitat is the bar scene.
He is king of Game.
He likes to play hard because his job is of the 'psychologically' stressful variety.
Urban life suits him just fine.
Because it gives him everything he wants.

Because of his knowledge of Game and the availabiliy of women where he is, Mr Cityslicker may well be fussier than Mr Rural when it comes to choosing a wife.
Even though, unless he is extremely traditionally minded, Mr Cityslicker does not really need a traditional woman like Mr Peasant does.
He has no cows to be milked.
He can cook already (part of his Game) and does not require a Martha Stewart type.
What does he really need a wife for?
He is more likely than Mr Rural to ask himself this question over and over again.
And the more he asks this question, the less likely he is to seek a wife.
But he is nonetheless not short of feminine company.
In many ways this might well be his problem.
But he will be the last to see this.
Mr Cityslicker is a man with a lot of issues to sort out.
If he can manage to sort things out, he emerges as a force to be reckoned with.
Because life for Mr Cityslicker is truly complicated.


Which one is more masculine?
Which one is going to find a wife first?
Which one will have the happier marriage?
Which one will have the longer marriage?

I honestly don't know the answer to these questions.

This post is a true 'stab in the dark'. I have no idea what I am talking about here.
OK, so what's new?
:-)



*Thanks to Lost for inspiring the seed of the idea for this post.




Ladies and gentlemen, please help ST out with your superior knowledge and experience in this matter.