Will the young pretty feminist stand up please?

Picture the most ardent feminist...
Um, on second thoughts, don't...
Don't wanna ruin your appetite...


This...is how I imagine a Manosphere denizen would start his standup comedy routine.

It is not strange or weird that men see feminists as older, less attractive, and brash.
Blow me down with a feather, but looking around, yes, they have a point.

Many people will agree that young, pretty women have no need for feminism, in fact.
This makes sense to me too.

Except...

I have a question.
Who exactly is a feminist?

Here's a little test:
Which one is the feminist out of these two women?
1.The one who in response to a man who refuses to help a woman in distress: 'She can help herself anyway! She can kill her own snakes!'
2. The one who responds to such a man: 'How sad. I wish he would help'.

I think most people would agree that Woman No. 1 is more likely to be the feminist.
And Woman No. 2 may well be viewed with suspicion. Explanation further down.

Another try:

1. The one who says to a man who offers to carry her heavy bag: 'No! I can do this myself!'
2. The one who asks a man to help her carry her bag when she seems able enough to do it.

I think everyone would agree that Woman No. 1 is perhaps the one who shows more 'feminista' tendencies. Especially if she appears offended that a man has offered to help her and thus thinks she is too weak to carry her own bag.
And Woman No. 2 is 'an entitled princess'.
And some might go even so far as labelling Woman No.2 in the first example in the same way if her mindset is more 'he should do it!' than 'well, pity he didn't, but there we are'.
Her attitude rather than her words belie any feministic tendencies she might harbour.

In the second example, if a woman refused nicely, making it clear to the man that she really did not need his help but thanks anyway, very kind of you, I don't think any man would feel slighted. More to the point, he wouldn't feel she was one of them feminazi types.
And I think everyone would also agree that the woman who in accepting help from a strange man says 'thank you' to him in a genuinely nice manner is definitely not showing feminist tendencies, whatever her age.

I find more and more that 'feminism' is a question of attitude...
And somehow some older women who should know better are getting it horribly wrong.

Why is this?
And why is this in fact good news for the archetypal feminist?

It is wrong to presume that a man will help only a young beautiful woman who needs his physical help.
More and more, I am seeing young men refuse to help a woman if they perceive her to be rude, brash, uncouth or ungainly even if she is young and 'hot'. Most definitely if she is not-so-young and not-so-hot.
This is really only something I have seen in the last five or so years.
Or maybe I was simply blind to it before, I don't know.

The same man who will refuse a young woman of childbearing age his help will have no problem coming to the aid of an old granny type who smiles at him so sweetly he might need insulin shots to neutralise the sugar (to borrow a brilliant phrase from Metak :-).

But I had the general sense of the reverse situation because I was more used to a younger woman being charming (some might say 'manipulating' but I insist on the use of the word 'charming') when she needs something from a man whereas there is a growing crop of older women who are harsh and angry and still expect favours from said young men, such as help with something heavy, giving up seats on trains, etc.
This is perhaps a physiological finding, aka the 'Daddy's little princess' who can twist Dad round her little finger like a pro versus the archetypal and sadly not-so-fictional-anymore five-time baby-mama who also happens to be angry, scary and frankly unpleasant and who demands that a Real Man 'wife her up NOW' (but by the way, the kids WILL come first).

We see more of the latter and I can see how this doesn't work anymore (um, did it ever?).
Chivalry died because it was murdered.
And the resuscitation team did not even turn up because rigor mortis had set in by the time someone thought to call them.
And now we must all live with the consequences.

It is really a question of attitude.
Some women are naturally man-friendly. Some have had to learn.
But I always find these man-friendly women to be generally woman-friendly too, strangely enough.
The man-haters are identifiable by their general hatred of everyone.
In this, at least they are consistent. Which is a twisted silver lining of sorts...

Feminism (at least the kind we are all familiar with these days) as an ideology rings hollow to me and has done for a long time but not in way I could understand.
Moreover, the 'representatives' of said ideology are not helping their cause any. These women who claim to have the best interests of women at heart are being exposed as liars and fraudsters all the time. And it seems this notion is gathering momentum.

Some of them have led sad and unfulfilled lives as a result of their unfortunate choices.
But instead of advising the younger generation of women to take heed, they advise the very same choices that have led them down the path of unhappiness and bitterness.

We briefly touched on this dark aspect of womanhood in the post about circumcision where female circumcision was mentioned in the comments section.
Which led us to discuss a woman whose abortion had caused her so much pain that...her only advice to women in a similar position was...'Go ahead and have that abortion, grrl!

What?!

I would have had so much more respect for these feminist women if some of them came clean and said,'Look, we made a mistake. It happens. But don't follow in our footsteps, unless you are sure that's what you really want. You are still young - you can change your life starting now...'

But no.
They would rather see young women today descend into hell like they did.

And now, weirdly enough, a young woman learns all about morality and femininity from men.
The Manosphere (at least the woman-friendly version) has done more for young women than feminists ever have.

Priceless.

On some level, I do understand the older, bitter feminist though.
It is too late for her.
She can't turn back the clock.
That is quite painful on a deeply personal level.
But...surely she wasn't always like this??
Ah,mais si.
Yes she was.

These women started on the path to feminism when they were young and beautiful.
That is, they started out on this journey at a time they didn't really need feminism. But they wanted it. So they created it.
The whole sex-positive thing could not have been started by old women. Not biologically possible.
Perhaps that's the problem.
The best years of these women were wasted on an idea which was flawed.
But they couldn't get off the express train until it crashed into the station at the final destination.
Whole lives had been spent developing and nurturing lies and hype that needed repeating so many times in order for them to stick.
And stick they did.


The other women who used their lives more correctly have no reason to be bitter.
They are also suffering of course.
No-one is trouble-free.
They may be lonely old spinsters, they may be divorced, widowed, happily married, whatever.
But they are not angry, bitter, loud and selfish women.


And so today, are there young and pretty feminists?
Unfortunately yes.
Some are unbelievably feminine-looking on the outside. Really beautiful women.
And yet they harbour tremendous man-hate which is not apparent to any man until he is hooked.
Sure, some of these women are misguided. They are capable of 'growing out' of this hopeless mindset.
I think this applies to the majority of the young and pretty feminist population.
Some are just that way because that is their own adopted ideology - no particular indoctrination involved.

But am I wrong on this?
Isn't all of feminism one big indoctrination?
Can a woman be a feminist in a vacuum? In a way that a girl can be 'born feminine'?
I dunno. But I suspect not.

I knew a woman when we were both very young (teens) who was so into the whole feminism thing that even at my young age, I sensed something was not quite right with her.
I avoided her like the plague, as did most boys our age and older. Even though she was much more beautiful, much more 'feminine-looking' than I could ever hope to aspire to.
There was just this undercurrent of something being wrong about her.
But I just couldn't put my finger on it.
Unlike all the other young, feminine women our age, I just couldn't click with this one.

Now I understand why she made me uncomfortable.
It was always 'women this, women that' with her, non-stop.
She chose a very woman-centric career which effectively meant that she would only interact with women.
She was also quite brash and abrasive and turned off even strangers.
And yet with all this 'women good, men bad' mantra of hers, she was very competitive with other women...which suggested to me that she wasn't particularly someone who liked women all that much afterall...a source of confusion for me.

The young and pretty feminist is still a feminist.
But unlike her older counterpart, this one is still curable.
All she needs to know is that she doesn't need feminism.
She may not only have bought it, but might now have shares in Feminism Inc.
All she needs to be told is that a market crash is coming. Those shares will be worthless soon.
That's all it takes to solve this problem.

The young and pretty feminist still has a chance.
If only she will stop listening to the old and bitter one.

Anyone know a young and pretty feminist?